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The Britannica entry for the Fediverse is really good

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  • The bad news is: you can already follow accounts bidirectionally between Threads and Mastodon. The good news is: Meta did the bare minimum and seems to have stopped development.

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    Back when they started on that, we were worried they were going to kill ActivityPub like how Netscape got killed by IE durring the browser wars. EEE (Embrace, Expande, Eliminate), adopt the protocol, expand its capabilities while including propriatary portions of code, and lock the competition out when market saturation is achieved.

    The issue is that fedivers residents are a bunch of tech-literate weirdos and called this bullshit the second the news dropped, and are 100% the type of people who make forks as soon as something like that would actually happen. Piefed being the perfect example, this part of the internet is perfectly fine just picking up their things and making something else (and we love it here for that).

  • Back when they started on that, we were worried they were going to kill ActivityPub like how Netscape got killed by IE durring the browser wars. EEE (Embrace, Expande, Eliminate), adopt the protocol, expand its capabilities while including propriatary portions of code, and lock the competition out when market saturation is achieved.

    The issue is that fedivers residents are a bunch of tech-literate weirdos and called this bullshit the second the news dropped, and are 100% the type of people who make forks as soon as something like that would actually happen. Piefed being the perfect example, this part of the internet is perfectly fine just picking up their things and making something else (and we love it here for that).

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    #22

    Yep a lot of us built stuff like this before and will probably do it again.

  • ehh.. just tested and it doesn't seem to work.. somehow i remembered it working but maybe i was mistaken

    sorry for the misinformation

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    #23

    piefed is working on it at the moment. I can see some stuff working. Following/posts that make it here/etc.. its coming along pretty quick!

  • Tbh I never understood the Lemmy users can interact with all other platforms that share the same protocol.

    It's not like I can view a Mastodon user's history on Lemny, right?

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    #24

    Lemmy is all about groups. It doesn't have any way to connect to and interact with single users.

    Mastodon, on the contrary, is all about single users following single users. It has no support for groups whatsoever. Mastodon users can follow Lemmy communities, yes. They can reply to posts, but in a very Mastodon way (automatic mentions, they'll probably insert hashtags etc.). Seeing (almost) the entire conversation is the default on Lemmy and extremely tedious and anything but straight-forward on Mastodon. And starting a new thread in a Lemmy community from Mastodon is difficult, nobody knows how to do it right, and whoever tries it will clash with Lemmy's culture.

    Stuff like Friendica or Hubzilla is somewhat more general-purpose. It can do both. But I've yet to see a Lemmy user subscribe to a Friendica group or a Hubzilla forum (the opposite does work).

  • The bad news is: you can already follow accounts bidirectionally between Threads and Mastodon. The good news is: Meta did the bare minimum and seems to have stopped development.

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    #25

    Also, Threads has introduced extremely strict rules for servers that want to federate.

    Entire Fediverse server applications are incapable of following all these rules, either technologically or by concept.

    For example, IIRC, Threads demanded a full public timeline. Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte do have that feature in code. But it's intentionally turned off server-wide by default, and there's a very good reason for this and for just about no serious admins of public servers ever turning it on.

  • It isn't that surprising but it is somewhat surprising.

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    #26

    First I've ever heard of Soundstorm, which apparently hasn't been updated in 7 years.

  • Yeah, I keep trying the different things. We're really not using the fediverse for all it's capable of.

    We can generally see all the users on all the federated systems, but none of their old content, a limited number of systems can follow other systems and see new stuff.

    I'd really like to see being able to log into pixelfed.social as rumba@lemmy.zip, post images there (and in loops.video) and reference them in my mastodon and lemmy posts.

    All the interoperability is threadbare.

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    #27

    This kind of stuff is the coolest thing about the fediverse and ActivityPub to me.

    All the things you mentioned are possible in theory but the tools and infrastructure to do it haven't been created.


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