@jaffathecake
I'm not sure you've actually "engaged" in any meaningful sense of the word. Certainly you've been conversing but it's not as though there's been concrete answers to questions. Upthread you've mostly avoided actually answering points and even here feigning confusion. Or, if it's not feigning, it paints a bleak picture of how prepared you are to interact with the Firefox userbase about this topic.

In case you aren't familiar, this might help:
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/firefox-labs/share-your-feedback-on-the-ai-services-experiment-in-nightly/td-p/60519

The overwhelming response to this feature was:

1. Don't do it.
2. If you have to do it, keep it off by default.
3. If it can't be off by default make it an extension or put it in another build.
4. Dear god why won't you people listen?

Engagement would look like you're acting upon those concerns, or answering the direct questions you were presented with.
It doesn't look like picking sidequest arguments and deflecting from the actual poignant questions that were posed to you -- that's damage control, not engagement.

@jaffathecake
I’d work on that reading comprehension before you make a complete fool of yourself, “mate”.
@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard

@firefoxwebdevs Thank you for the option. But why can't I trust that you won't reactivate this option behind my back after a few updates?

Oh, I know... That's maybe because you've already abused this mechanism in the past with pushing 'sponsored suggestions' on my search bar, homepage, search engines, etc...

@vex 2. twitter has 80-90% bots, so 5% mastodon does not look too bad in comparison.

3. the core of all browsers is Free Software (thanks to Netscape switching to a free license before AOL bought it and some hackers at KDE choosing a copyleft LGPL license over 20 years ago). That’s why Servo is possible: https://servo.org/

7. these are not the kinds of services Firefox adds.

About inevitability, Ursula K. LeGuin gives me hope:
https://www.draketo.de/zitate#power

@firefoxwebdevs @dveditz

@vex Also, why I answer your bleak outlook: you definitely lose the future the moment you give up the idea that a better world is possible.

@firefoxwebdevs @dveditz

@duke_of_germany @kboyd @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I use Firefox for years and years on my Macs. It was actually the incompatibilities with certain websites that drove me back to Safari (of all things). But all this AI nonsense is definitely not going to bring me back to Firefox.

@firefoxwebdevs @giacomo What about accidental clicks? Fuck you and your browser.

@firefoxwebdevs just take it all out and make them browser extensions, like they should be

@duke_of_germany @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I've always thought of Firefox as the standard default browser (I'm a Linux user, and Firefox is *the* browser installed on Debian (and Ubuntu I believe) out of the box). I always used to assume that it was the default most used browser on Windows as well, but apparently I'm wrong on that. I've not thought about other browsers in over a decade.

Until recently, of course, and I'm not seeing any other option really.

@firefoxwebdevs Would it be possible to have a separate build of Firefox containing just the browser?

@spz @jaffathecake relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/1984/

@ArneBab @firefoxwebdevs @dveditz I haven't given up hope that a better world is possible. I just don't see anything that exists making changes towards a better world as effectively as the changes being made for a worse world. But I'm still working towards a solution.

@vex I fear we can agree to that at the moment: fossil funded far right actors are currently getting stronger.

Russia, China, and (since Trump 2) the USA are supporting the far right in the EU.

Russia supports dictators in Africa.

And the petro-states in the middle east are funding religious extremism.

Letting billionaires get as rich as they are now and getting so dependent on oil and gas show consequences.

But solar and wind and FLOSS are spreading.
@firefoxwebdevs @dveditz

@davidrevoy @firefoxwebdevs i would trust the person writing the mastodon posts here to tell you. I dont know him personally, but he acts very different than mozilla management.
It is @jaffathecake

@firefoxwebdevs
Not quite, sorry.
I rolled back to older version already.

@slatian In the video that is linked on the blog page, there are 3 options in the dropdown: Available, Enabled and Blocked.

I suppose you can enable and disable individual features, and "available" means it respects what the main switch says.

@allwelikeworms@mastodon.social atleast they did something. Get a life. Touch some grass and call some friends. They miss you

@dymaxion @wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs considering all that - should we just ban the browser altogether?

Let's break it down:
- cognitive and technical hazzards: browser allow opening any "social"-network -- check
- public discourse -- as above
- having AI as a feature doesn't change what the software does as noone from mozilla puts a gun to user head to click on "summarise the page" button -- this is still on the user

EDIT: also - should we also force Mozilla/Firefox to blacklist all "AI" websites if we are at it? Because if we don't then all those points that you mentioned can still be valid as user can just open the webpage with selected AI service…

@nikclayton @firefoxwebdevs of the AI? I would dance on the bonfire on bigtech

alas -- I do find certain uses of LLMs (not necesarily what altman is doing) in general having some uses… that's all.

@rysiek @sarah

Weird yet predictable that @firefoxwebdevs replies all over the place playing stupid word games and pithy semantics, but leaves this unreplied to.

I'm starting to think, maybe, this guy isn't interested in honest discussion!