@ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse @reflex I'll try them today

@firefoxwebdevs finally.
Can I trust it or it was vibe coded?

@jonny@neuromatch.social @jaffathecake@mastodon.social @duke_of_germany@mastodon.gamedev.place @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social And I mean it's not like this feature request was hugely popular or anything

https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/no-ai-in-the-browser/td-p/51616

@jonny@neuromatch.social @jaffathecake@mastodon.social @duke_of_germany@mastodon.gamedev.place @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social If there's any evidence of a "silent majority who loooooove LLM integration", you'd think it would pop up as something like, I dunno, high sales for copilot during the microsoft earnings call or some such

https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/02/microsoft_ai_spend_copilot/

and yet

Only 3.3 percent of Microsoft 365 and Office 365 users who touch Copilot Chat actually pay for it...

... What Microsoft did not articulate is how small that paid footprint looks against the vast base of Microsoft 365 users experimenting with Copilot Chat for free...

@angelfeast @jaffathecake @fennix

@jaffathecake @ddelemeny @froztbyte It's worth noting that when it comes to altbot here on fedi, a lot of vision-impaired people have the opinion that it's not very useful

@davidgerard @thehighseas@ioc.exchange @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Yeah, we've seen this before. One person phrases their objection in terms that can easily be misunderstood for a pithy answer, he zeroes in on them and ignores EVERYONE else.

(Hey Jake, here's an easy one for you to latch on to by pointing out that you don't ignore LITERALLY everyone else!)

@duke_of_germany @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I just think we on Mastodon have a low tolerance for bullshit, which is ‘AI features nobody asked for’ in a nutshell.

chat i don't think bro's gonna address shit

@jaffathecake
I'm not sure you've actually "engaged" in any meaningful sense of the word. Certainly you've been conversing but it's not as though there's been concrete answers to questions. Upthread you've mostly avoided actually answering points and even here feigning confusion. Or, if it's not feigning, it paints a bleak picture of how prepared you are to interact with the Firefox userbase about this topic.

In case you aren't familiar, this might help:
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/firefox-labs/share-your-feedback-on-the-ai-services-experiment-in-nightly/td-p/60519

The overwhelming response to this feature was:

1. Don't do it.
2. If you have to do it, keep it off by default.
3. If it can't be off by default make it an extension or put it in another build.
4. Dear god why won't you people listen?

Engagement would look like you're acting upon those concerns, or answering the direct questions you were presented with.
It doesn't look like picking sidequest arguments and deflecting from the actual poignant questions that were posed to you -- that's damage control, not engagement.

@jaffathecake
I’d work on that reading comprehension before you make a complete fool of yourself, “mate”.
@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard

@firefoxwebdevs Thank you for the option. But why can't I trust that you won't reactivate this option behind my back after a few updates?

Oh, I know... That's maybe because you've already abused this mechanism in the past with pushing 'sponsored suggestions' on my search bar, homepage, search engines, etc...

@vex 2. twitter has 80-90% bots, so 5% mastodon does not look too bad in comparison.

3. the core of all browsers is Free Software (thanks to Netscape switching to a free license before AOL bought it and some hackers at KDE choosing a copyleft LGPL license over 20 years ago). That’s why Servo is possible: https://servo.org/

7. these are not the kinds of services Firefox adds.

About inevitability, Ursula K. LeGuin gives me hope:
https://www.draketo.de/zitate#power

@firefoxwebdevs @dveditz

@vex Also, why I answer your bleak outlook: you definitely lose the future the moment you give up the idea that a better world is possible.

@firefoxwebdevs @dveditz

@duke_of_germany @kboyd @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I use Firefox for years and years on my Macs. It was actually the incompatibilities with certain websites that drove me back to Safari (of all things). But all this AI nonsense is definitely not going to bring me back to Firefox.

@firefoxwebdevs @giacomo What about accidental clicks? Fuck you and your browser.

@firefoxwebdevs just take it all out and make them browser extensions, like they should be

@duke_of_germany @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I've always thought of Firefox as the standard default browser (I'm a Linux user, and Firefox is *the* browser installed on Debian (and Ubuntu I believe) out of the box). I always used to assume that it was the default most used browser on Windows as well, but apparently I'm wrong on that. I've not thought about other browsers in over a decade.

Until recently, of course, and I'm not seeing any other option really.

@firefoxwebdevs Would it be possible to have a separate build of Firefox containing just the browser?

@spz @jaffathecake relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/1984/