Let's not dismiss this bigotry as being simply uninformed. Someone that is making such a grand statement about us and using TERF language would likely disagree with you about how informed they are.

But I do agree with you about the statement being a shitty analysis.

In the thread under the screenshot, there is another screenshot from where Nutomic explain, that the topic was clearly more complicated than they had understood earlier and they did not want to discuss it further.

Unless people give me reason to do otherwise I will keep seeing people as trying to do the best they can with what they got. Otherwise it would not be worth discussing at all. That is to say I choose to believe he has learned a thing or two. Especially because the there are several safe communities on lemmy.ml

But in the end I think what irks me about the entire discussion is the fact that someone tried to make a positive post about community the people enabling it and the first thing that happens are people throwing shit at the people making us even being able to have this discussion.

I do however choose to believe that people get offended and get knee jerk reactions because we are so used to the ton shit the internet hurls at us as soon as we open a browser. And thus that there actually is something to discuss in good fate.

That is why I read the thread about Nutomic stupid microblog (admittedly not in detail, most of it was just people with opinions) and that is why I chose to comment. Some people have stupid takes for various good reasons e.g. bad education. That is not the real problem, the problems start if they are unwilling to try to nuance that view or accept it is possible to see things differently. We all can get stubborn or be too indoctrinated to see through stuff, but the real problems start if people double down on criticism, or if they start acting on shitty takes or worldviews.
That is not what I am seeing here.

I've written this to get my head straight about the situation, but I hope whoever read this far down the thread can use this for something.

And finally. Thank you dear developers, hosts, admins, mods, programmers and posters for making the Fediverse a real alternative to Reddit and in time hopefully to all our incorporated social media. If a contributor asks for support please support them if you can.

People should give the most money to the Lemmy devs but I think most is actually given to the largest server admins.

So someone else would work on that massive project unpaid?

Someone with much worse skill levels too, most likely.

I dont care what the devs believe politically.

They made a very poor 4Chan text detector for censorship which looked like something AI would write at that time. It likely is AI slop.

If you're as unhinged as the rest of the FAF losers, sure.

ActivityPub devs as well 🥰

Fascism and communism are ideologically polar opposites. Horseshoe theory isn't real, and even among liberal academics is seen as a horrendous oversimplification that takes surface level similarities, like having a strong state, and completely glossing over the core, like having the capitalist class in control of the strong state, or the working class.

Marx specifically referenced a state in lower-stage communism, which got clarified by later theorists as the socialist stage as transitional between capitalism and communism.

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It would be one thing if he actually tried to understand why what he said was "controversial" and made a real attempt to apologize instead of throwing up his hands and insisting he didn't want to talk about it anymore.

This reminds me of the bigoted people that espouse their shitty opinions and then refuse to discuss it further when they realize what they are saying maybe sucks a lot.

Telling me that ML has trans communities is akin to the racist that says "But I have a friend that's black!"

In my opininion the developer got upset that his shitty opinions were going to cost them donations and tried to half-ass walk it back.

I fear you and I will never see eye to eye on this, and that's ok. I won't judge you for your opinion and I thank you for being level headed during this discussion. But sadly I remain unconvinced that the developer actually learned anything from this experience other than being more careful next time to not say things that suck.

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do you know how to fix that

Lemmy should be getting a cut from all of those ISP's out there.

That's like saying you hate MAGA a weird amount.

we are in the 750th upvote, thank y'all for upvoting

No it's not, tankies are not a real threat, they have no power, they are a joke. You want them to be the same, and it's weird.

Lol there it is!

Takes a lot of extremism and hatred towards something to actually make people start these projects. Naturally this means that not great people are gonna be the kinds of people starting these things.

The right wing of the CPGB that supported the counterrevolution in Hungary were not "Orthodox communists." You seem to think Marxism is a purity-based moralist doctrine, but in fact the right-wing supported a fascist movement and a destruction of worker power. The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists. The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker heavily relies on citing western sources like the New York Times. Aptheker backs up his claims heavily.

"The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. “There is no longer any room for doubt,” said the Yugoslav reporter, “it is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,” continued this writer, "coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways."

"But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing."

"Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements' ...." (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)

"The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary."

"A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:

During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: “Down with Jew Gero!” “Down with Jew Rakosi!” or just simply “down with the Jews!”

Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that “Jewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.” Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that “anti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.” This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because “fascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.” Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that “the majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.” The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."

Further, the CIA also backed Hungarian resistance forces:

Prague in 1968 was a similar fascist uprising in both cases there were some elements of progressive protest, but these were greatly overshadowed by the fascist movements. Dubcek wanted to sell out to the IMF, and restore capitalism. The idea that any of this was about "democracy" or "freedom" is silly, it was always about Cold War tactics to destabilize socialism.

TL;DR imagine if the January 6th rioters were armed and trained by foreign governments, started lynching officials and Jewish people, and the US sent in the army to put down the insurrection. The MAGA chuds would claim that it was about "freedom" and "democracy," but we all know that they just wanted Trump in office.

Regarding the Tian'anmen protests, a color revolution grew from what originated as protests against the marketization shifts under Deng Xiaoping that had turned into western-backed protests against CPC control, resulting in a few hundred deaths from clashes between rioters and the PLA around Beijing after the PLA had been sent in to disburse the protests. Once the PLA reached Tian'anmen Square, the center of the protests, the square was dispersed bloodlessly. The CIA-backed student leaders were evacuated in Operation Yellowbird. For more, I recommend this Tian'anmen Protests reading list.