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  • so is MBin or Pylova safe from this controversy

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    Mbin was looking for more devs but they're into generative AI so you may consider that.

  • Well if I'm wrong about how that list worked then I apologize but Rimu also supposedly took code from the fork and failed to attribute it until he was called out about that too. It wasn't only the blocking thing that upset me, it was also the code misappropriation and the childish ban spree.

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    (I'm a different person than who you were responding to earlier)

    Those other things that you mention here are validated, however the "hard-coded blocklist" was demonstrably disproven. I suggest removing it from your comment because it only complicates the matter to mix in lies with the truth. There are a bunch of valid reasons to criticize PieFed over, we don't need to spread misinformation muddying the issues.

  • See what I mean? Look how fast they show up to push these wacky narratives and call people paid shills.

    Lmao, another case-in-point: a quokk.au admin below is unironically using the term "authoritarian liberal". These are deeply unserious people.

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    Before I knew they were the piefed admin I had Rimu tagged as "psychotic hatred of leftists, extreme neoliberal" so yeah that seems like a fair label.

  • Ai slop enthousiasts

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    I’ve got grievances with PieFed, but even I don’t think it’s ai slop.

  • Or just use Piefed.

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    Or PyLova which has some really cool features, and responds to users ideas.

  • Well if I'm wrong about how that list worked then I apologize but Rimu also supposedly took code from the fork and failed to attribute it until he was called out about that too. It wasn't only the blocking thing that upset me, it was also the code misappropriation and the childish ban spree.

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    If you talk about the matrix screenshot, there is this line from Rimu : "imagine that i do a post about lemmy blabla...". This line refers to a post from Mia where she did an announcement and Rimu wasn't happy about it. He considered it was Piefed appropriation.

    It was also part of the conflict along false accusation of piefed being anti-trans. We did ask blahaj what feature would they like, added trans flag...

    The main problem with Rimu is its behaviour that led to its ban spree. Most of people on Matrix won't say anything about it, they know but they remain quiet and stay here because they use piefed and support it.

    It wasn't the first time. At the beggining of Piefed (2 year ago) Rimu banned Rikudo's instance. Because Rikudo instance at that time suffered from spam. Rikudo wasn't happy about the defed and wrote something on Piefed on fediseer.

    So I reached Rikudo and did the mediation and they worked together. I tried with Ada/Pugjesus. Mia/Rimu...

    When there was the shitstorm about the local IA used for moderation by dbz0, i really hoped that the explanation from dbzer0 would calm things down. I hoped that Rimu would recognize that he was wrong about its analysis. And then maybe they would continue together.

    For me, we lost plenty contributors and people.

    You have also to take into account mysticmushroom ban spree for zionism and how dbzer0 reacted.

    And then there are people that perpetue fedidrama on yptb or even here, on a post where we should support the fediverse. That was my message that everyone missed on yptb.

    If we want to continue, we have to move on. It doesn't erase the past, but recalling those events, behaviour impact the relationship we have between each other.

    It polarizes our relationship, and may make newcomers leave. So i think we have to move on and support what we love.

  • Danke!

    I should use Friendica more (or, like, at all), but I'm lazy.

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    I just don’t have friends to ica.

  • Your choice of admin team is much more important than which software platform you use, especially if you use a third-party app like Voyager.

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    Third party apps can take advantage of the software platform however. I’ve been testing the PyLova app and it’s got lots of stuff you can’t do in the Lemmy based apps.

  • A piefed.nullspace.lol admin has come along to call people “crybullies” and “deeply unserious”

    Also no, I don’t literally think you get paid in a currency I made up on the spot, but I do think you play defence for your side and are biased as fuck to the point you spread literal misinformation about a feature rich fork.

    And you’re right things such as trying to enforce vote limits on users without consulting people, trying to hide meme communities (196) via hard code is surely a libertarian move and not the one sided actions of a wannabe dictator.

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    but I do think you play defence for your side and are biased as fuck to the point you spread literal misinformation about a feature rich fork.

    That’s rich considering how often people who defend PyLova point out how there is hard coded blocks in PieFed.. yet can never really seem to point out exactly what is hard coded (in a very ”I’m only asking questions” way). Spoiler alert: Those blocks doesn’t exist. There are some filters, and I don’t agree with all of them, so I simply turn them off. There’s also the default instance and domain blocklist, which is also very easy to remove.

    trying to hide meme communities (196) via hard code is surely a libertarian move and not the one sided actions of a wannabe dictator.

    See? This is a straight up lie, i.e. misinformation. That makes it very clear that you’re arguing in bad faith. Or you have no idea what ”hard code” is and just using it to add an emotional emphasis to your point.

  • Lemmy devs aren't communists, they're state capitalists. The difference is they support the state, and Karl Marx said it's not communism if there's a state.

    Piefed didn't hardcode a blocklist, that was a hoax. There's an auto-federation tool that only admins can use, and it has optional limits on what communities it auto-imports. People took screenshots of that code and lied that it was a blocklist.

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    Lemmy devs are Marxist Leninist (State Socialist). And Marx did write a out a transition phase. Only idealists think you can "press the communism" button without removing the class contradictions that gave rise to a state in the first place.

    Piefed has a social credit system

  • Lemmy devs are Marxist Leninist (State Socialist). And Marx did write a out a transition phase. Only idealists think you can "press the communism" button without removing the class contradictions that gave rise to a state in the first place.

    Piefed has a social credit system

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    They pressed the communism button in Catalonia and it worked great. Only problem is it was the middle of the Spanish Civil War, and they got betrayed by their allies.

    Anarchist communism has 65,000 years of proven success. Vanguard socialism hasn't worked once. Russia failed, it's capitalist. China is failing, it's capitalist. North Korea is failing, it's feudalist. Those failures aren't because they got couped by the CIA or conquered in a war, these are internal flaws to the political system of state "socialism". The idea that you can slowly reform an authoritarian state into communism was always a fantasy, it never happened once.

    Anyway, Piefed has karma. Like Reddit. It's just karma. If you wanna call karma a social credit system, go ahead, but it does seem disingenuous to not explain what you mean by it.

    As a piefed admin, I see a little red warning sign next to Sxan, the thorn person. Because they have low karma. When I see it, I chortle and then read what innocuous comment with a thorn has got people downvoting this time. It's just a warning that they have low karma, it doesn't do anything.

  • but I do think you play defence for your side and are biased as fuck to the point you spread literal misinformation about a feature rich fork.

    That’s rich considering how often people who defend PyLova point out how there is hard coded blocks in PieFed.. yet can never really seem to point out exactly what is hard coded (in a very ”I’m only asking questions” way). Spoiler alert: Those blocks doesn’t exist. There are some filters, and I don’t agree with all of them, so I simply turn them off. There’s also the default instance and domain blocklist, which is also very easy to remove.

    trying to hide meme communities (196) via hard code is surely a libertarian move and not the one sided actions of a wannabe dictator.

    See? This is a straight up lie, i.e. misinformation. That makes it very clear that you’re arguing in bad faith. Or you have no idea what ”hard code” is and just using it to add an emotional emphasis to your point.

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    See? This is a straight up lie, i.e. misinformation. That makes it very clear that you’re arguing in bad faith. Or you have no idea what ”hard code” is and just using it to add an emotional emphasis to your point.

    Want to try that one again champ?

  • See? This is a straight up lie, i.e. misinformation. That makes it very clear that you’re arguing in bad faith. Or you have no idea what ”hard code” is and just using it to add an emotional emphasis to your point.

    Want to try that one again champ?

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    Yeah, this is exactly what I’m talking about. You present some “evidence“ that you claim is from a hard coded block, but that is a lie. The code in question is an ignore list for newly loaded communities - it does nothing to prevent anyone from joining that community.

    This is more related to the aversion of meme and shitpost communities, which I don’t agree with but again there is nothing that prevents a operator from adding them (you literally just subscribe to the community, lol).

    Not to mention that you apparently had to reference 10 month old release because it’s it there in the current release.

  • Yeah, this is exactly what I’m talking about. You present some “evidence“ that you claim is from a hard coded block, but that is a lie. The code in question is an ignore list for newly loaded communities - it does nothing to prevent anyone from joining that community.

    This is more related to the aversion of meme and shitpost communities, which I don’t agree with but again there is nothing that prevents a operator from adding them (you literally just subscribe to the community, lol).

    Not to mention that you apparently had to reference 10 month old release because it’s it there in the current release.

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    You are being dishonest. I did not say block, I said hide.

    This was hard coded into the files to ensure people couldn't as easily find the 196 community.

    I know it's not in the current version, because Rimu angered a lot of people when they found out and he had to apologize and remove it.

  • shout out to the lemmy developers for not making us be stuck on the other site

    shout out to mastodon devs for making us have a better life than on Twitter

    shout out to the pixelfed devs for allowing a actual photography platform to exist

    shout out to the peertube devs for helping us not be stuck on youtube until the end of time

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    Unityposting? Well well, maybe there is still hope.

  • You are being dishonest. I did not say block, I said hide.

    This was hard coded into the files to ensure people couldn't as easily find the 196 community.

    I know it's not in the current version, because Rimu angered a lot of people when they found out and he had to apologize and remove it.

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    You're still presenting it in a very dishonest and bad faith way imho.

    I also don't agree to a lot of the decisions of the main instance, the classification of meme communities as "low-quality", blanket classifying 4chan screenshots as alt-right, or the vote limits. So it's a good thing none of that is enforced in the source code, and that in the places where it previously might not have been an option Rimu has actually listened to feedback and made sure it's configurable (and IIRC all except the defederation/domain blocks is disabled by default)

  • (I'm a different person than who you were responding to earlier)

    Those other things that you mention here are validated, however the "hard-coded blocklist" was demonstrably disproven. I suggest removing it from your comment because it only complicates the matter to mix in lies with the truth. There are a bunch of valid reasons to criticize PieFed over, we don't need to spread misinformation muddying the issues.

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    I'm not convinced that what I said about that checkbox was misinformation. I remember the checkbox situation, I remember thinking it was weird, and I read enough posts from various instances at the time from multiple people that lead me to believe that it wasn't all that great and there was ambiguity about Rimu's motives for including it. Furthermore, his response about it wasn't convincing. So I'm not going to acquise and change my original post. Even in this thread there's no actual agreement on the subject. I understand you are trying to help, but what I said wasn't specifically a lie. Thanks for your comment.

  • You're still presenting it in a very dishonest and bad faith way imho.

    I also don't agree to a lot of the decisions of the main instance, the classification of meme communities as "low-quality", blanket classifying 4chan screenshots as alt-right, or the vote limits. So it's a good thing none of that is enforced in the source code, and that in the places where it previously might not have been an option Rimu has actually listened to feedback and made sure it's configurable (and IIRC all except the defederation/domain blocks is disabled by default)

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    I have been nothing but factual in my claims of what the software does/did.

    Fact is Rimu continuously does these things and only reverts course or makes it opt-in after the backlash. He doesn’t listen to feedback so much as he does damage control.

    The very public thread with PugJesus shows what he is like. Even Snoopy one of the most vocal supporters of him has stepped down recently, which is telling in its own right. The project is suffering because of his personality and refusal to listen until it’s too late.

  • There's a screen shot of what Nutomic said in the post I linked.

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    That doesnt't seem transphobic only uninformed and like a shitty analysis

  • You can literally see the screenshot where they say being transgender is actually a bourgeoisie conspiracy. Like full on denying trans people’s lived experiences for thousands of years, and in the same breath pretending people like Elon and JK Rowling aren’t pushing transphobia.

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    Yeah I've seen the screenshot, it's a lazy take and reeks of lack of knowledge but it doesn't seem transphobic.

    If we are trying to get to a better and more enlightened future, there are a lot of people we do not agree with we have to meet with dialogue instead of judgement.

    I am not talking about forgiving og listening to people like Rowling. I am talking about showing would be comrades a more nuanced way of seeing the world instead of writing them off.

    That road always leads to a smaller and smaller select group that see the true way forward, but having a harder and harder time talking to anyone else. Eventually the group gets so small and isolated it doesn't means anything at all.


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