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Why decentralization doesn't work for forums
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Have (really) good app, have intuitive features, and everything is so polished as though it's been operating for years and founder still really active to develop compared to discuit
Let's see. I'm afraid it would go the same way than Discuit and Tildes: there's motivation at first as the userbase grows, then after a while the motivation drops and the project gets stagnant.
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Let's see. I'm afraid it would go the same way than Discuit and Tildes: there's motivation at first as the userbase grows, then after a while the motivation drops and the project gets stagnant.
Idk about tildes, but discuit since beginning the founder himself always moving too slow, this is why i abandoned it early
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Glances around
I mean, it's working just fine.
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Because people expect a seamless experience? I don’t want to browse a fragmented platform either, which is kind of the point: if I have to pick an instance, hunt for communities, and hope they federate with the places I care about, what exactly is Lemmy improving over regular forums?
If fragmentation is the feature, regular forums already did that without pretending they’re one platform. You see my point?
People should not expect a seamless experience across totallly different communities of people. Reddit is not a seamless experience. Rules and norms are different across subs.
The internet works better with fragmentation. It always has. Trying to treat everything as homogenous is stifling.
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Idk about tildes, but discuit since beginning the founder himself always moving too slow, this is why i abandoned it early
Tildes has recently announced they will not add any more features nor actively seek new members and will simply die if that’s where it’s headed.
Chad is an odd dude.
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People should not expect a seamless experience across totallly different communities of people. Reddit is not a seamless experience. Rules and norms are different across subs.
The internet works better with fragmentation. It always has. Trying to treat everything as homogenous is stifling.
And besides, there are instances where they try to federate to as many instances as possible. Sure it takes time to find it but that's why there people out there recommending general instances to people looking to join the threadiverse. I join some of them and use the accounts there so that I can recommend them to people.
Doesn't matter for this while anyway. OP has been temp banned.
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Tildes has recently announced they will not add any more features nor actively seek new members and will simply die if that’s where it’s headed.
Chad is an odd dude.
They really have potential when reddit exodus began and i really don't mind tildes dont have image upload featured, but tildes refusal to open sign up made me realize tildes basically serves as deimos's playground
Such a shame they guy that making rif app wasting his time developed app for that turd
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You don't need an account for every defederated instance. The network is still one and whole. Defederation only hides the two instances' activities from each other's users, but you can use piefed.zip that doesn't defederate from basically anything.
You will see all content defederated from lemmyworld and you will also see all content from lemmyworld.
If you use piefed.zip, you will get precisely the result you are describing you want. You will have all the Forumverse content behind one login, seamlessly.
Okay, but it's not clear enough by what is meant by defederation. Apologies for being rude to you, that reaction was a misunderstanding on my part.
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I've come to the conclusion that @parallelminds@lemmy.world assumes a defedation splits the network into two islands completely isolated from each other. They don't seem ti understand that a defederation only affects the two instances themselves, nothing else.
Yes you are correct, but again this wasn't clear. defederation should mean what I thought it meant, that it breaks the network. My bad I guess.
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They really have potential when reddit exodus began and i really don't mind tildes dont have image upload featured, but tildes refusal to open sign up made me realize tildes basically serves as deimos's playground
Such a shame they guy that making rif app wasting his time developed app for that turd
but tildes refusal to open sign up made me realize tildes basically serves as deimos's playground
I think that is not the reason. No mod logs, Chad as the sole admin and mod, and bans without reason.
If you delete Chad, make Tildes moderation open, and add actual moderation not banning because poor Chad got his feelings hurt you got a great app.
open sign up
It is pretty easy to get in, I think adopting Lobsters' user tree might be a better option though.
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If you wanted. You could just join an instance or create your own where nothing is degenerated, am I wrong?
Is he saying federation is bad because it's working exactly as intended?
Even that's not an option to get what he wants, as some instances automatically block yours if you don't block their enemies. I don't know if there's much of that on lemmy, but there's tons of it on Mastodon.
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That's my whole argument, if Lemmy is going to be naturally fragmented and require a new account for every defederated instance, why not just use regular forums at that point?
If you are in a regular forum you also don't get access to any of the lemmy communities, so what's your point?
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I personally use Lemmy/Piefed/Mbin/etc. for social news rather than bolted on forum-like features. That's where I think this software shines.
If you want a decentralized forum, I'd seriously recommend you look at Usenet and NNTP. Then again, I promote the usage of network protocols for what they are good at over forcing everything through the web.
NodeBB I think counts more like a standard forum while still being federated?
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Glances around
I mean, it's working just fine.
️I can't see the Linux memes from .ml
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I'll be honest, I forget that NodeBB has become federated. Despite having run into an actual incompatibility problem between Piefed and NodeBB.
::: spoiler Incompatibility details
So if you create a link post Piefed onto a NodeBB section, which looks like a community from my end, the link doesn't show up.
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