@elettrona @macfranc @Phantaloons io ogni tanto vado a vedere se riesco a acquistarne uno, ma costano veramente troppo

@p03locke interoperability makes all software equal; those that aren't, are each equal in their own way...
Jokes aside, Mastodon is the elephant in the room of interoperability in the Fediverse.

@L_Alberto @macfranc @Phantaloons il problema per me non è il costo ma l'usabilità - per una persona che non vede, per quanto abbiano inserito il sistema TalkBack, è lentissimo. Se prendessi un android di fascia media (o bassa) è come se dall'auto passassi alla sedia a rotelle (gambe che non si muovono) e per avere un risultato non ottimale, ma decente, dovrei passare a un pixel o un samsung top di gamma. Perciò tutte le ragioni per cui uno dovrebbe passare ad Android, cioè teoricamente alternativa alle multinazionali tecnologiche e prezzo minore, verrebbero meno. Poi tenendo pure conto che google sta limitando pure il sideloading di android quindi diventa ancora più chiuso anche per gli altri.

Mastodon isn't the entirely of ActivityPub apps. Lemmy doesn't seem to work with any of the ActivityPub apps, and nobody is trying to fix that problem.

It's not a "Fediverse", if it's not federated everywhere.

@p03locke I understand your outburst, and personally, I think it's quite well-founded. However, I remind you that the problem lies in the fact that Mastodon has chosen to implement proprietary solutions that don't follow the Activitypub standard, and that almost the entire Fediverse wants to conform to this supposed de facto standard. The fact that Lemmy adopts solutions that are different from other software, but still more in line with Activitypub, shouldn't be considered a problem.

Mastodon isn’t the entirely of ActivityPub apps. There's also PeerTube, Pixelfed, Loops, Micro.blog, Flipboard (145M users), Misskey, and many many others.

• Lemmy barely works with PeerTube
• Lemmy doesn't work with Pixelfed
• Lemmy doesn't work with Loops
• Lemmy doesn't work with Micro.blog
• Lemmy doesn't seem work with Flipboard (though, I have no idea what the community URL would be)
• Ditto for Misskey

Is there any ActivityPub app that Lemmy is compatible with, or is it broken for all of them? Why pretend that it's part of a big Fediverse, when a vast majority of these instances are broken to us? (I'm not picking on discuss.tchncs.de, but you can plug in any Lemmy server you want and see the same kind of problems.)

The fact that Lemmy adopts solutions that are different from other software, but still more in line with Activitypub, shouldn’t be considered a problem.

You can have this stance, and be a purist about the RFCs and how the protocol is supposed to work. And you can push for these standards on your own platform for Lemmy.

But, at the end of the day, you still have to deal with the warts of other protocols and write the custom code it takes to bridge one app with another app. And then be thankful that you are not trying to bridge together an entirely different standard and are just trying to smooth over some structural differences in implementation.

oh, a clarification: I'm still @macfranc@poliversity.it

I'm a fan of Lemmy, though I recognize that some limitations could be considered flaws (https://piefed.social/comment/11707767).

However, your perspective must take into account some design (and history) issues with the software you mentioned:

Lemmy barely works with PeerTube [discuss.tchncs.de]

It's important to understand a few concepts here:

• Lemmy is based on Activitypub groups
• A group works by "resharing" an initial post and all replies to that post
• With some programs (Mastodon's "socialverse," Misskey, Pleroma, Friendica, or Pixelfed), you can "post inside a group" only by mentioning the "group user"; with others (Lemmy/Piefed/Mbin/NodeBB's forumverse, but also Peertube, Mobilizon, or Flipboard), you simply assign a discussion to a group (you can do this easily from the interface). This second mode doesn't yet have a syntax shared by all the software in the Fediverse.
• Finally, a very important feature of Lemmy is that a post can only be published to one channel at a time. This might seem like a limitation (we'll discuss it later, when talking about Flipboard), but it's actually designed by the developers to prevent synchronous crossposting, which can dramatically increase spam.

Lemmy handles the display of Peertube content very well and correctly assigns it to the correct Peertube channel. What doesn't work well is the update system, which is why Lemmy can't act as a Peertube feed reader. This isn't Lemmy's fault, nor is it Peertube's, as each handles Activitypub groups differently.

Lemmy doesn't work with Pixelfed [discuss.tchncs.de]

That's not true. Lemmy handles Pixelfed very well. Pixelfed users can open threads on Lemmy or reply to Lemmy discussions. However, Pixelfed only shows users retweets made by Pixelfed, not those from other software. Therefore, Pixelfed users cannot access the groups.
Regarding your user, I'd like to point out that feddit.it can see it: https://feddit.it/u/NotAHopeInHades@pixelfed.social

Lemmy doesn't work with Loops [discuss.tchncs.de]

Loops is still a very immature software, with very limited interoperability. I wouldn't consider it a valid test for certifying Lemmy's functionality.
Regarding your user, I'd like to point out that feddit.it can see it: https://feddit.it/u/spaceotter@loops.video

Lemmy doesn't work with Micro.blog [discuss.tchncs.de]

I'm not familiar with Microblog, but (regarding your user) I'd like to point out that feddit.it can see it: https://feddit.it/u/akshay@social.learnlearn.in

Lemmy doesn't seem to work with Flipboard

Flipboard uses groups to manage the "magazines" of the "main accounts." Magazines are the thematic sections of the main account. Basically, the main account (for example, @NationalGeographic@flipboard.com) publishes a news item, and depending on the topic, it can be published in the "Science" Activitypub group (@science-NationalGeographic@flipboard.com) or the "Environment" Activitypub group (@environment-NationalGeographic@flipboard.com), OR both.
This design, intended to maximize visibility on the Mastodon audience, is incompatible with Lemmy's logic.
Lemmy, in fact, as I mentioned before, doesn't allow synchronous crossposting of the same content across multiple groups.

The same goes for Misskey.

Lemmy handles Misskey very well. And Misskey handles Lemmy very well. I don't understand the problem.