@ainmosni @jaffathecake Models aren't downloaded and used until you interact with the feature, so to some degree opt-in.
However, by default, buttons may exist in the UI for these features, or you may be prompted to use them.
The AI block removes these entry points as well as disabling the features.
Ah, ok, this is the route you take. Of course. I should have know, my bad.
Can't believe I have to tell this to an adult on the internet, but quotation marks (despite their name) have countless uses other than quoting people, for example to highlight slang terms or sarcasm.
And, Jake, seriously:
This is your main takeaway from the message?
You honestly see this as a good use of your time?
@firefoxwebdevs @jaffathecake Alright, but if the models are light enough to download on demand, then having such an aggressive warning on the opt out seems even more alarmist.
@mike @alahmnat @firefoxwebdevs Kagi is not explicitly filtering out AI content but has a number of techniques to get useful websites first.
I find it likely that there is a correlation between SEO crap and AI slop in web pages. Might be wrong.
@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard mate you directly said I was portraying people here as crazies. I see why you'd want to try and wriggle out of that, but your message is right there.
@ainmosni right, but the block may be deleting lots of models. I get what you're saying, but some features are in a bit of a grey area here, such as translation, so it seems reasonable to double check.
I expect we'll still get bug reports about translation being missing and users not understanding why, but having the controls is worth it imo.
To make one thing clear: I am not your mate, Jake.
By now, I am just a guy wondering what you are trying to achieve here, using both your work- and private account, working hard to alienate ex-Firefox-fans.
If this is your actual job: I feel sorry for you. Honestly. No sarcasm.
If not: for the love of god, go outside, touch grass, pet a dog, call a loved one.
Do literally *anything* except for whatever it is you are doing here. For your own sake.
@firefoxwebdevs I understand, but I still don't understand why it's so much a bigger deal than say turning off history, which would be a much bigger change in behaviour for everyone involved
That said, outside of the FOMO drama-queen-ness of the toggle, I'm happy that it's finally there, it's a start to earn back some trust.
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard ok, you've done everything you can to avoid addressing your attempt to put words in my mouth. Maybe that's just your general personality, but I'm glad the people around me are not so openly malicious.
@vex have you seen these Mastodon vs. X posting stats in Germany?
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gruene.social (gruene.social)
Mastodon is bit by bit eating X’s lunch. At least here.
And did you hear about the #DID?
https://di.day/
Hope seems pretty effective, though it’s not instant and it’s usually underfunded.
@firefoxwebdevs @dveditz
@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard to be clear: I do not consider people here to be crazy. Those are your words. You chose to use those words.
I got involved in this project because of the feedback I received here, and that feedback helped me make a change (https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115859958902197087).
Yes, this is a section of the user-base, one that isn't identical to the whole user-base. You may choose words like 'crazy' to describe them, but I absolutely reject your framing.
@firefoxwebdevs Bullshit generators should be opt-in, not opt-out!
@duke_of_germany@mastodon.gamedev.place @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social "users" and its just one poll on a network only used by tech people
@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs rarely seen a man so unable to read and understand text
@duke_of_germany @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs lol damn, 175k votes, and a 3:1 gather ratio on the other unforced-options poll you ran
that's Some Numbers right there
wonder if they'll listen (wait, no, I don't wonder: https://mastodon.social/@froztbyte/116005140730818539)
@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs
I'd class Fedi as having a high representation of people who care about software, ethics and the intersection of the two. I would call that useful.
Also I see myself in the comment about it being populated by the kind of people who have been recommending Firefox since before Chrome existed, but are now feeling alienated by Mozilla's decisions.
Am I really going to go into settings every time a new AI flag pops up, or am I going to run Zen?
Go. Outside. Touch. Grass. 
️
And blink twice if you need help.
You do not have to write these little "comebacks". Everybody and their dog can see right through them, and they accomplish nothing, other than wasting your personal lifetime.
@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs
And I'm not angry at you personally, if anything I'm angry on behalf of all the people just trying to make a good browser. At the people who insist on AI in the face of no evidence that current users want it, or that it will realistically win away Chrome users or similar.
@davey_cakes @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs
> I'd class Fedi as having a high representation of people who care about software, ethics and the intersection of the two. I would call that useful.
100%. That's why I did the poll here, and used it to push for a change. But I also recognise that is not 100% representative of all users.
> Am I really going to go into settings every time a new AI flag pops up
No, if you use the main block, it applies to new AI features too.
@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs fabulous attempt at DARVO in corporate comms Jake, well done
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