@dymaxion @wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs considering all that - should we just ban the browser altogether?

Let's break it down:
- cognitive and technical hazzards: browser allow opening any "social"-network -- check
- public discourse -- as above
- having AI as a feature doesn't change what the software does as noone from mozilla puts a gun to user head to click on "summarise the page" button -- this is still on the user

EDIT: also - should we also force Mozilla/Firefox to blacklist all "AI" websites if we are at it? Because if we don't then all those points that you mentioned can still be valid as user can just open the webpage with selected AI service…

@nikclayton @firefoxwebdevs of the AI? I would dance on the bonfire on bigtech

alas -- I do find certain uses of LLMs (not necesarily what altman is doing) in general having some uses… that's all.

@rysiek @sarah

Weird yet predictable that @firefoxwebdevs replies all over the place playing stupid word games and pithy semantics, but leaves this unreplied to.

I'm starting to think, maybe, this guy isn't interested in honest discussion!

@TheEntity @sarah @firefoxwebdevs here's another such "loose end":
https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/116003478630992874

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@mike @Mastokarl

To be more specific, they have been implementing a community report feature that can categorize sites as AI slop, and based on that you can choose to downgrade (or even completely filter) the results

SlopStop | Kagi's Docs

Kagi Search Help

(help.kagi.com)

There is a symbol on searches to make such reports.

I remember them also using other methods on the background, not only reports. (like marginalia-search does)

@elkaki Oh, that's neat!

@firefoxwebdevs We said "NO!!". You are about to lose MANY users.

@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs @Mastokarl That's nice. How does that affect what I DON'T want and/or the people I don't trust?

@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs @Mastokarl Why does it matter? Don't make things some people strongly don't like the default. Loud music in public, authoritarianism, gang rape.

@wojtek
Right, you're clearly not interested in a conversation, so I'll let you go troll in peace
@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs

@jaffathecake
I love it when you can compare the message favorite counts to see exactly who everyone thinks is bullshitting (=0 favs) vs arguing honestly (37 favs here)
@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard

@woo @nuintari @firefoxwebdevs Exactly my point. Don’t say „we“, implying everyone here has the same opinion.

@firefoxwebdevs

(I LOVE the new video format! 🥰)

@wojtek it's so nice that Mastodon does 60fps.

Although, sorry, I'll be back in my garage for the web feature videos

@firefoxwebdevs uhm… bummer I'll try to live with that ( <hand on the forhead>farewall cruel world</hand on the forehead> )

@richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard The way that I interpret this discussion with Jake, even if it was not Jake who was personally involved, is that:

- Mozilla was always going to plow ahead with AI anyway
- Mozilla knew that Mastodon represented its largest group of its most enthusiastic supporters and promoters, and that this group is traditionally against AI creep
- They sent someone into this community feigning to solicit feedback in an effort to manufacture consent
- This failed predictably and spectacularly, and that hurt the representative's fee fees
- Now that Mozilla has, through naught but their own actions, completely alienated this community, they can claim that WE don't support THEM (c.f. Jake's false victim complex) and can claim moral high ground doing the thing they were so obviously going to do anyway.

So anyway, I've been a vocal supporter of Mozilla and its predecessors since the days of Netscape Navigator. A week ago I installed Vivaldi, and don't plan to go back.

@ivanvector @richardgrant @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard
Exactly this.

@ivanvector Succinctly: Mozilla is doing a lot of *talking* about their decisions, but not a lot of listening. They're here to tell us they're doing it, and are surveying the talking points people are going to use against them. Even if that's not their plan, that's effectively what they have actually done.

@ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I like Vivaldi but I dislike a Chromium monoculture, so I'll begrudgingly be using a trimmed-down Firefox until Servo is in beta territory.

@ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard “even if it was not Jake who was personally involved”
It's easy to miss, but it's right there, about half a second into the OPs gif: