@brad I can't speak for anything outside Europe, but any OSM-based dedicated bike app does a solid job in every European country having, well, cycled in ALL of Europe as part of my work! @notjustbikes @mcc

@steven @brad @notjustbikes @mcc Oh take your pick, there are half a dozen. I am using Mapy, and am very happy with it.

@olokolo Yes, but here the issues are intertwined. Google thinking car first (which is a political bias) leaves it with crap cycle routing.

@brad No, actually no. There are dozens of tools that work better for cycle routing than Google Maps does. And Google Maps doesn't even offer you cycle routing in a bunch of countries, and where it does offer it, it's shit. @notjustbikes @mcc

This is the @notjustbikes I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csHdwHTteOw

This is the sort of thing that makes me feel about European Cyclists Federation

The Number 1 speaker they list for their #VC26 Rimini event is from Google Maps http://r.sendmail.ecf.com/mk/mr/sh/SMJz09SDriOHW0pgipnqcu77qOG8/G9-b6x7x-lDN

They ought to have @notjustbikes to tell them why Google Maps for cycling in Europe is rubbish