@antares @reflex @Orb2069 @jaffathecake @ddelemeny more's the idiot them if they're doing that

@spz @jaffathecake @reflex @ddelemeny "is it me? no, it must be everyone else that is wrong"

@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny aww is the widdle abuser angry nao?

@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny Fuck right off with the DARVO kthx

@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny I didn’t claim any, and the attitude of your response *once again* portrays the problem highlighted to you

That said, I’ll still check up in a day or two

@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny I’ve given this a couple of hours (and I’m willing to give it a day or two)

But I want to point out to you, @jaffathecake, that your silence and non-engagement here is not going to be read favourably. By anyone.

And they can see you’ve engaged elsewhere.

@jaffathecake @ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny that reply is another example of Doing It Again, fwiw.

@ZBennoui @reflex @ddelemeny @jaffathecake that's good to read, thanks for posting!

as I said in one of my elsethread posts, I get the thesis of the idea (and can obviously acknowledge it's a step ahead in some dimensions). but I am curious and wish to ask: how do you handle the accuracy problem?

@reflex @jaffathecake @ddelemeny
> If Mozilla actually cared about accessibility

the zoomie gif on the post would probably also not have been there

@jaffathecake @reflex @ddelemeny it is in fact exactly the case here

you occupy a position of (some, limited, specific) power: you are the designated voice voice representing a certain aspect of moz/fx here

for _that reason_ people would want to follow you

for _almost every post you make_ people are (per the metaphor) inching away from you

it's ... not great

@jaffathecake @reflex @ddelemeny yes, I have

it's usually pretty clear when it's necessary (everyone the person speaks to goes no-expression and tries to cut conversations short and/or get away from them)

@jaffathecake @reflex @ddelemeny I'm talking about your attitude and style of responses across, well, all the threads the last couple of weeks

a number of people have expressed displeasure and frustration, and (it comes across as though) you just shrug them off

sure, there may be cultural differences, but this dynamic appears as a running theme (and _reinforces_ why people are frustrated)

again, don't mean this as an attack or whatever, but I ... wanted to bring it to your attention

@jaffathecake @reflex @ddelemeny jake, I want to make a bit of a weird comparison here (and I beg that you please understand that this is not a threat or anything but a comparative reference)

do you _get_ that if all these conversations were happening in, like, a bar or something, a number of people would by now have asked to have you thrown out? your persistence in reply framing and what you take from posts comes across.... "obstinate" is the best word I can think of

@jaffathecake @ddelemeny I’ve seen a number of accessibility-using people critique this stuff, fwiw. A number of them echo the “let me choose my own”

For my own part: given the error rate problem combined with the (presumably) reduced capacity for the affected user to verify veracity/accuracy, I think it’s *even more* dangerous when this stuff hallucinates or miscategorizes

I agree the *idea* is nice, but do not believe that this implementation/generation has solved the problem

@jaffathecake if it's not information you currently have, doesn't that leave the possibility that they might in fact reflect a negative or inconclusive outcome in polling?

I mean, I get that you don't have eyes on this yourself and that you can't speak to it, I'm not putting this on *you*. but do you see how it could be possible that, without these results being open, someone could be going full steam ahead _in spite_ of the findings?

@jaffathecake @barubary just to clarify, with "user research" do you mean the polls on bsky/fedi/etc, or were there other surveys conducted in places?

(asking because I don't think I saw any such surveys anywhere, and I'm _moderately_ on top of seeing this stuff go around)

@jaffathecake @barubary okay so if the (for lack of a better term) problem is that gathering data from the fedi might be biased, what about shipping a survey and linking it in update notes?

Firefox 148, pop it into the release notes. "hey, we've done this update. also, we want to know whether you want us to work on this stuff". you'll get answers from a fairly solid bit of your userbase. it'd be quite interesting to see those numbers, don't you think?

@jaffathecake @barubary “Not able to action” is quite load bearing

I offer to you: you could’ve made another poll, such as the one that outperformed yours. And then you could have taken those values and said in a meeting “hey, it kinda seems none of our users want this”

So I want to ask: are you under a directive that explicitly told you not to do that? Or perhaps under some implicit kind of situation (e.g. “I know $manager won’t listen”) which made you not even consider that?

@jaffathecake @barubary but are you capable of actually directly addressing and engaging with the fact that multiple people keep on telling you "no, I don't want that thing that you're talking about"?

it appears that you have an impression that people here are hostile towards your responses. I posit that _your_ continual evasion and non-engagement of this matter is why. as many others have.

so, y'know, maybe try other, better responses.. up to you tho

@duke_of_germany @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs lol damn, 175k votes, and a 3:1 gather ratio on the other unforced-options poll you ran

that's Some Numbers right there

wonder if they'll listen (wait, no, I don't wonder: https://mastodon.social/@froztbyte/116005140730818539)