They already have that too, screen sharing included.
Most clients work with it just fine.

NOOOOOOOOOO WE MUST ALWAYS REPLACE $Product WITH "$Product BUT IT'S FEDERATED WITH MASTODON"!!!111

There's using AI assistance for clean coding and following all the other guidelines of good software development otherwise.

And there's giving Claude Code a simple prompt to generate a ready-to-run application and uploading the result to GitHub as-is because you want to be a coder, but you don't know jack shit about coding or software development or licenses.

fluxer.app

Is it low latency, suitable for gaming?

https://shoot.pub/

It's not vibe-coded and the developer published several FEPs to help others implement same features (e.g. FEP-bebd: Follow Invites)

Nice, thanks. Though I'm afraid what I/we need, is a FEP for group chats and end-to-end-encryption.

@silverpill@mitra.social i follow both and hope Mony will federate with Shoot. Don't like AI? You can use shoot

@hendrik@palaver.p3x.de

I've answered about AI involvement in the development of Harmony here https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediparty/pulls/327#issuecomment-27235791

As for FEPs, I do plan on publishing AP extension proposals, but I'm making sure it federates nicely with other Harmony instances before having everyone implement their own versions.
That way I can say it's not theorized but functional and demonstrably so.

Definitely want to publish the drafts I have, soon, though.

You just described capitalism. I think it's strange that so many people are pinning this flaw on AI. I guess AI just made it all start happening fast enough, and to the right people, that y'all noticed?

Anyway sure, let's tear it down. I can't be down with you if you just want to get back to last decade and before, when the "stealing mangling bullshit polluting machine" was only stealing people's ideas and destroying environments outside your own though.

Shoot uses a variant of FEP-1b12 for group chats, it is the same protocol on which Lemmy communities are built.

However, chats typically require a more fine-grained permission system than Lemmy currently offers. This is what I am working on: FEP-5219: Groups and permissions

>end-to-end-encryption

Not a thing yet.

@doesnm @hendrik @fediverse I am not that much against AI but 99.9% of slopware is garbage, and a developer needs to do something extraordinary to prove that their thing is worth my attention.

Yeah, that'd be awesome. And a lot of work to get it right, communicate with people etc. If I remember correctly, there's been efforts for years to get group chats standardized with proper end-to-end-encryption etc... And I'm not aware of any final result.

Edit: I probably didn't remember correctly.... Wasn't group chats in itself pretty straightforward. But issue is people want some encryption to make it properly useful... And we never finalized any draft on how to handle all the keys and the complexity that comes with e2ee?

no, unless you have very low standards for "suitable for gaming"

Yeah no I wasn't it to feel like having a conversation in my couch, kinda latency. Or virtually indistinguishable from that. Fluxer so far fits the shoe.

In my opinion, xmpp kinda fits perfectly? It was used in multiple platforms before (google, facebook, Gaia online, and gosh the list goes on, every platform 2005-2013???)

Why wouldn't it be a decent solution for the fediverse software to pair with it, just like other networks did before?? Fediverse accounts already have the schema (user)@(domain.tld)

I understand Matrix needs more storage than xmpp, but I think either one could work.

Please correct me but, isn't matrix.org, the worse option, because of all the traffic? Calls didn't work reliably in said server, but I got to do a few streams with friends and it was working fine with not much latency, but we were both in another homeserver.

I'd like to try gaming tho.

I had some time to think about this. And from what I gather, the missing encryption is probably one of the major showstoppers here.

For one people expect chat to come with some minimum standards. I mean proper e2ee and several other features have been part of practically every other chat solution out there, for quite some time now. And we need it to supply that amount of confidence to enable people to talk to their family, friends, colleagues... We'd need it to eat our own dogfood and discuss internal stuff within mod teams, etc...

And semi-public unencrypted chat messages are kind of a liability to admins as well. We expect people to do nefarious stuff once they think they're in some sort of closed group. And that stuff can't federate uncontrollably and we also can't have it sit on our servers. And that means either encryption as well (so the admins don't have to deal with it). Or a massive amount of effort and potential legal issues.

Oh, they're even working on KDE plugins!