I have seen a Matrix/ActivityPub bridge in action, though.

I remember when I used to use Mumble, it was pretty great. Although I had to host my own server for that, unfortunately. Is that still the case?

It's simple because one job really well it's easy to use and it doesn't get in the way.

But if you want something that is a bit more discord like and relax then yeah fluxer is really about the only good option at the moment.

All the matrix b******* nonsense at people love to talk about is really good... As a replacement for like Microsoft teams...

And that’s ignoring the ethical concerns of using AI in addition to the lifespan of the project (vibe coded software often isn’t maintained very long).

For one people expect chat to come with some minimum standards. I mean proper e2ee and several other features have been part of practically every other chat solution out there, for quite some time now. And we need it to supply that amount of confidence to enable people to talk to their family, friends, colleagues... We'd need it to eat our own dogfood and discuss internal stuff within mod teams, etc...

And semi-public unencrypted chat messages are kind of a liability to admins as well. We expect people to do nefarious stuff once they think they're in some sort of closed group. And that stuff can't federate uncontrollably and we also can't have it sit on our servers. And that means either encryption as well (so the admins don't have to deal with it). Or a massive amount of effort and potential legal issues.

I'd like to try gaming tho.

Why wouldn't it be a decent solution for the fediverse software to pair with it, just like other networks did before?? Fediverse accounts already have the schema (user)@(domain.tld)

I understand Matrix needs more storage than xmpp, but I think either one could work.

Edit: I probably didn't remember correctly.... Wasn't group chats in itself pretty straightforward. But issue is people want some encryption to make it properly useful... And we never finalized any draft on how to handle all the keys and the complexity that comes with e2ee?

However, chats typically require a more fine-grained permission system than Lemmy currently offers. This is what I am working on: FEP-5219: Groups and permissions

>end-to-end-encryption

Not a thing yet.