Yes, there's some contradiction built in. The more freedom we give to users, the more that freedom can be abused by nefarious people. I don't think there's a good technical solution to this. At least not if we want it to be a public space.

And a closet right wing problem

And an anti-democratic pro annex crimea anti Palestinian genocide pro do we really need to talk about the other genocide too you’re a zionist problem

Oh and an infighting problem.

It’s a fling you meet up with on the weekend but better not get to know too well.

Fediverse is great and all, but it doesn't have any AI countermeasures.

That's a separate conversation to be had, but a network that is only meant for authenticated users can certainly offer better protections than a protocol where everything is openly published and distributed to the whole public internet.

They are going to use an LLM to make it

that project is off to a bad start. only asking 10k for a platform that's going to compete with YouTube? Sure they funded 100k but... where's the cash flow. Investors are not going to jump at a poisoner. Drive space cost money, and a poisoning system is also going to require gpu rendering ontop of whatever rendering is required for consumption.

Considering their primary revenue sources is intended to be user contribution via subscribers or their share of the content manager system... I really don't see how they expect to maintain sustainable

I wish them the best of luck though.

Plenty of artists are worried about Al being trained on their data. No fediverse "platform" protects from it.

I very much doubt Haven protects from AI scrubbing, either. Maybe it does today, but that's a constant cat-and-mouse game. I have doubts as to the efficacy of AI-poisoning efforts.

True, but authentication won't stop people from using AI. It's kinda moot really, because it takes only a single user to "infiltrate" the platform, take the art and feed it to AI. And as we've seen, corporations don't give a fuck because nobody can threaten them legally - at most they pay a paltry fine and continue their shittery.

Besides, the beauty of Fediverse protocols is that you don't need to federate and distribute. One could whip up a Mastodon/Lemmy/Mbin/etc. instance without any federation, just their own little safe space, and even harden it against AI - much easier than writing your own platform, protocol, clients, frontend and backend from scratch.

I dont think its possible and thus its a scam in my eyes.

The fediverse doesn't protect against AI training. Quite the opposite, in fact.

There are right wingers on the fediverse????? Where?????

Freedom is free

That means you will be abused. But your free while being abused.

There is no solution that doesn't reduce the freedom.

That's the problem with freedom, it's free.

Like 70% of new accounts end up just being old users moving instances making alts or just nuking their old profile for a new one.

And he wants to market it as his own, original, scratch-made, "nothing even close to this has ever only even been attempted before" creation.

And because almost nobody outside the Fediverse has ever heard about anything in the Fediverse, he'll succeed. To the point where people will laugh about Mastodon being a Haven Social rip-off because they've heard of Haven Social first and Mastodon later.

Or copy-paste GPL code, alter it and keep it closed.

Pleroma.

Or, if you ask some Mastodon fundamentalists, everything that isn't Mastodon or Pixelfed is inherently right-wing.

And aside from these promises, they also have a bridge to sell you!

Technically allowable if isn't AGPL

Not really a lawer or anything