opinion: lemmy instances - should disclose basic hardware and infrastructure in "about" section. Most lemmy instances cant afford to have non-text users
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What's it to you? Be one of those people. Make your own social media site if you think your ideas are so good. I'm sure you'll hit whatever MAU you set your mind to.
You've formed your opinion on what makes a good website based on capitalism's definition of success. Like the other commenter said, you want Lemmy to be a cancer.
I dont want corporate control. I like lemmy.
but its not working - it needs to be much much bigger to really affect reality -
tthis is much bigger than reposts. Lemmy has a pile of structural problems that make it hard for normal users to trust or stick with it:
- Instances have disappeared with user data because admins had no usable backups.
- You often have no idea if your home instance has proper backups or is one disk failure away from disappearing.
- Media uploads are ridiculously constrained on all instances. literally all. Tiny file limits mean you can't even upload normal modern photos, GIFs, or videos. 5Mb limit on lemmy.world - and thats the largest instance.
- Admins can ban you after 10 posts because they decide you "look like a bot." No warning, no conversation, no chance to adjust. (honestly - seems to me they just dont have hosting money and thus have to ban everyone posting more than 10 posts a day) thanks sopuli.xyz and lemmy.zip for banning me after 10 posts
- Admins can ban you after months of posts too. Just because - they didnt know hosting can get expensive. Months of contributions can disappear with the account. (already happened to me )
- Quadruple moderation: community mods, home-instance admins, receiving-instance admins, plus a public modlog that follows you around. Most people just want to have fun - and moderation at every corner is not fun. Waay worse than even reddit which bans for other reasons. (thanks sopuli.xyz and lemmy.zip for banning me after 10 posts)
- Defederation can suddenly make you invisible to entire groups of users.
- Many instances have no sustainable funding model and admins personally eat the hosting costs. I think it comes down to this - they ban you because they have no money on hosting, they should just frigging say so.
- Users usually have absolutely no idea what infrastructure they're trusting with years of their content.
And then we're obsessing over whether bringing filtered, highly rated content from elsewhere is going to destroy Lemmy.
^ I really don think me posting content is the problem. Anoter big problem is - lemmy cant afford to have it.
Lemmy is sitting around 35k MAU. Maybe the problem isn't that we're making it too easy to participate.
Data loss, tiny media limits, fragile hosting, instant bans, quadruple moderation, empty communities, and no meaningful appeals process.
There's a lot more standing between Lemmy and mainstream adoption than somebody reposting a meme from Reddit.
You're asking a lot to the admin of a (free) instance to comply with your needs.
Most of the issues you mention disappear if you host you own instance, you can set your own rate limit, control your backups and decide what you accept or not on your instance.Specifically on the limit for images, lemmy-pictr is my highest ressource consumer, so I can understand why admins of public instance would put limits.
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You're asking a lot to the admin of a (free) instance to comply with your needs.
Most of the issues you mention disappear if you host you own instance, you can set your own rate limit, control your backups and decide what you accept or not on your instance.Specifically on the limit for images, lemmy-pictr is my highest ressource consumer, so I can understand why admins of public instance would put limits.
see issue is - most non techie people wont even understand why they being banned. thats the problem.
me running my own instance solves issue for me, does nothing for others. -
I dont want corporate control. I like lemmy.
but its not working - it needs to be much much bigger to really affect realityWhy do we need it to affect reality?
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Wait…
You got banned because you were spamming Reddit posts and now you want to upload video?
I feel like he's upvoting from an alt account, too. Pretty interesting how his posts and comments seem to start at +2 now... Almost the same time as that "new"
botreal human who reposts from reddit with truncated titles.... -
I feel like he's upvoting from an alt account, too. Pretty interesting how his posts and comments seem to start at +2 now... Almost the same time as that "new"
botreal human who reposts from reddit with truncated titles....Back in the hexbear days I thought maybe the fediverse should abandon the “Reddit model” of threaded discussion with voting.
The problem wasn’t just the moderation or people in charge, it was the structure of the system.
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Why do we need it to affect reality?
comes election when reddit sabotages all news and only ships corporate propaganda you dont have to have an independent influence?
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Back in the hexbear days I thought maybe the fediverse should abandon the “Reddit model” of threaded discussion with voting.
The problem wasn’t just the moderation or people in charge, it was the structure of the system.
I don't know, I kind of like threaded discussions. Back in the forum days, it was hard to deal with two concurrent conversations.
I wasn't a fan of it on Reddit but I have less of an opinion here because it doesn't seem to significant impact on discoverability.
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comes election when reddit sabotages all news and only ships corporate propaganda you dont have to have an independent influence?
And why does that have to be here on one of the existing servers you don't manage or pay for?
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see issue is - most non techie people wont even understand why they being banned. thats the problem.
me running my own instance solves issue for me, does nothing for others.Most non-techie peoples don't re-publish ~30 posts par days

You're definitely not the average Lemmy user.
Their server their rules, you don't like it, build your own or find a community that accept you

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And why does that have to be here on one of the existing servers you don't manage or pay for?
because while I can - it wont do anything if lemmy is at 35k MAU. need distribution and volume.
has to be onpar with large plaeyersat the momen 35k MAU is 4x less than my wife cookie blog monthly sorry
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because while I can - it wont do anything if lemmy is at 35k MAU. need distribution and volume.
has to be onpar with large plaeyersat the momen 35k MAU is 4x less than my wife cookie blog monthly sorry
Nobody gives a shit how you think this place should be. Who are you? Some random person who showed up 3 months ago and started spamming and shitting all over it.
You've been told that's not how we do things here countless times yet you keep it up. And worse, you have the gall to complain that a small instance can't keep up with the amount of garbage you're botting over here.
Based on that complaint alone, I don't think you even understand how the fediverse works to begin with so maybe don't have such an ego about your opinion of what it needs.
Take the hint, man. Pay up or shut up.
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MAU measures whether people actually use the platform.
And Reddit has spent those six years practically begging users to leave:
- Killed third-party apps
- Locked down its API
- Pushed logins and the official app
- Increased ads
- Monetized user data
- Pissed off moderators and communities
Yet Lemmy is still around 35k MAU.
At some point "we're still new" isn't an excuse. Your biggest competitor keeps shooting itself in the foot and you're still not growing. its not working chief
Your biggest competitor keeps shooting itself in the foot and you’re still not growing. its not working chief
So what do you suggest we do with our 0 USD marketing war chest?
Lemmy isn’t really our competitor. From a financial perspective, each person who switches from Reddit to Lemmy is a sum loss to both Reddit and Lemmy. Hosting costs money, and unlike Reddit, Lemmy has no advertising revenue to overcome that cost.
Kill the corporate marketer in your head.
Edit to add that quite a few Redditors would be a nightmare to moderate. We don’t even want them.
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When you choose a Lemmy home instance, you're trusting somebody else's infrastructure with your account, posts, comments, and uploaded media.
If that instance disappears without a usable backup or migration path, years of your contributions can disappear with it.
Yet when I look at most instances, I have absolutely no idea what I'm trusting.
Is this running on:
- A $5 VPS?
- A dedicated server with redundant storage?
- Someone's mini PC under their desk?
- AWS with costs that explode exponentially as traffic increases and hapless admin not realizing that just shutting it down as they never had a plan?
- A database with proper backups?
- A server with no backups at all?
I recently had an instance tell me my posting activity alone was becoming too expensive for them. Their solution was - just banning me and removing all my data. no im not kidding - thx https://lemmy.radio/.
That immediately makes me wonder: what are you running? (apparently it was aws micro or something and person clearly had no idea what they were doing)
If a few hundred posts can create a meaningful financial problem, is the instance massively undersized? Are you paying enterprise hyperscaler prices for workloads that could run cheaply on dedicated hardware? Is storage the problem? Bandwidth? Pictrs? Database load? Do you even have a plan my friends?
I don't know, because users are given almost zero infrastructure information.
I'm not asking admins to publish IP addresses, network diagrams, credentials, or anything security-sensitive.
Just put some basics in
/about:- Hosting: OVH / Hetzner / AWS / home-hosted / etc.
- Compute: 8 cores / 32 GB RAM
- Storage: 2 TB NVMe
- Backups: Daily, retained 30 days
- Media backups: Yes / No
- Off-site backups: Yes / No
- Approximate capacity: Small / Medium / Large
- Funding: Self-funded / donations / nonprofit / etc.
That tells me infinitely more about whether I'm comfortable making an instance my home.
- Have admin(s) ever hosted any production software before? First time?
- are there even backups?
- Is there even any plans for scalability? What if your traffic goes 4x? what about 20x? do you have a plan beyond banning me and removing everythig I ever posted?
And honestly, backups matter to same tune as CPU model.
Federation gives us the freedom to choose our instance. Great.
But you can't make an informed choice when you have no idea whether your digital home is a properly backed-up server or a $5 VPS held together with Docker Compose and prayers.
Is that the reason why all lemmy instances dont let you upload more than 5Mb media? probably.
If you cant afford hosting costs - holy fuck, just stop fucking saying "everyone welcome" if you then going to ban those same "welcomed" people after they post 10 image memes (thx https://sopuli.xyz/ and https://lemmy.zip/ and https://lemmy.radio/ and https://lemmy.ml/). no no -
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, - instead you falsely accuse people of spamming and banning their accounts. No wonder lemmy is at 35k MAU. Hardware poor admins - you don't even know what spamming is, you shouldn't have kidsusers if you cant afford them, dont invite them in or just advertise your instances as text-only.Hardware poor admins - stop inviting people. you have no capacity and only actively harming lemmy adoption.
There should be a list of such instances that should be inviting people at all.
Instance infrastructure shouldn't be a mystery.
If you're asking users to build years of history on your server, give them enough information to understand what they're building it on. You likely cant afford non-text users anyways.
By this reasoning, the rate limiting added to PieFed recently-ish starts making far more sense. Not what you propose and not Rimu's reasoning that I'd seen, but should also help decreasing the acceleration of resources consumption.
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I genuinely considering this. I would have already built couple servers and shipped to a colo if this was 2025. but stupid AI really messed up this market and I dont want another single server setup.
It's understandable that if you spam you'll most likely get banned.
I think people on lemmy have completely lost the meaning of the word spam.
Spam isn't "someone posts more often than I personally like." Spam is mostly unwanted stuff, ads - Viagra ads, affiliate links, scams, or the same garbage repeatedly.You can call it high-volume posting. You can dislike reposts. You can even say the volume is annoying.
But high-volume, relevant content isn't automatically spam just because you don't want to see it.
its not just me - lemmy stuck at 35k MAU.Iirc "spam" comes from a skit from Monty Python criticizing how prevalent the brand was, to the point it felt like it was everywhere.
But unlike a product in the market, posts are easier to tackle. If the poster/reposter becomes an annoyance, the user just needs to block or, depending on the software and desire, mute the poster/reposter. If just certain domains are an annoyance, block the domain either natively if possible, or with extensions, scripts and/or filters. If just specific posts are a problem, voting and/or hiding posts can be done.
So imo, while the volume can be a tad annoying, if the annoyed users do use the features provided by the platform or more extremely by extensions, these posts shouldn't become the meme of Monty Python's joke on the canned food.
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Jesus Christ, everyone here seems to have invented their own definition of what Lemmy is.
Lemmy doesn't have competitors. It isn't competing. It isn't what you think it is.
Except the actual Lemmy developers describe it as:
"a decentralized alternative to Reddit and other link aggregators"
They've been calling it a Reddit alternative since at least 2020.
So no, I'm not imposing some imaginary "corporate framing" onto Lemmy. I'm using basically the same framing its own developers used to explain why they built it.
And "there is no manager or corporate goal" doesn't mean adoption suddenly becomes meaningless. If you're building an alternative to corporate-controlled link aggregators, whether anybody actually adopts the alternative fucking matters.
Otherwise what are we celebrating? Software existing?
And that's why 35k MAU matters to me. Reddit has spent years handing alternatives opportunities on a silver platter, and Lemmy hasn't capitalized on them.
You can personally define success as "35k enthusiasts are happy." Fine.
But stop pretending your definition of Lemmy is the official one while telling everyone else "you don't understand what Lemmy is." Even the developers explicitly called it a Reddit alternative.
lemmy is almost twice the size of lobsters, if we're just using the stuff in the repo description.
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Isn't Lemmy older than 6 years though? Dunno on the federation aspect, but sorting posts on Lemmy instances by oldest first shows a few older posts.
Still, by the time these oldest posts were made, Reddit was already some 10 years old to my knowledge, and we can't even be sure if their active users' numbers are real due to lack of transparency and these numbers coming from a single source instead of being a sum of several independent ones.
And at least an impression of mine, but in these ~4 years I've been around, engagement seems to be growing slowly but steadily. And I'd need to put on a graph the data shared about the growth of the fediverse from another community, but the numbers overall seem to be growing there too.
On taking down Reddit, I'd advise against it. Competition is what lets products and services improve. What I'd expect in an organic competition, however, is for Reddit to deflate into a shadow of its former self, keeping only a nicher usefulness, like Tumblr did and thus becoming just another forum.
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Jesus Christ, everyone here seems to have invented their own definition of what Lemmy is.
Lemmy doesn't have competitors. It isn't competing. It isn't what you think it is.
Except the actual Lemmy developers describe it as:
"a decentralized alternative to Reddit and other link aggregators"
They've been calling it a Reddit alternative since at least 2020.
So no, I'm not imposing some imaginary "corporate framing" onto Lemmy. I'm using basically the same framing its own developers used to explain why they built it.
And "there is no manager or corporate goal" doesn't mean adoption suddenly becomes meaningless. If you're building an alternative to corporate-controlled link aggregators, whether anybody actually adopts the alternative fucking matters.
Otherwise what are we celebrating? Software existing?
And that's why 35k MAU matters to me. Reddit has spent years handing alternatives opportunities on a silver platter, and Lemmy hasn't capitalized on them.
You can personally define success as "35k enthusiasts are happy." Fine.
But stop pretending your definition of Lemmy is the official one while telling everyone else "you don't understand what Lemmy is." Even the developers explicitly called it a Reddit alternative.
"Alternative" doesn't necessarily mean "competitor."
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I wanted to leave reddit. but ther is nothing and noone here that why
Tempted to run the RSS feeds just for each community I follow, to see how many I get in a fresh instance of my reader. But qualitative instead of quantitative, I can notice pretty much every week I have to unfollow some group because it's too much to keep track of.
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