@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs @Mastokarl Why does it matter? Don't make things some people strongly don't like the default. Loud music in public, authoritarianism, gang rape.

@wojtek
Right, you're clearly not interested in a conversation, so I'll let you go troll in peace
@wariat @fabio @firefoxwebdevs

@jaffathecake
I love it when you can compare the message favorite counts to see exactly who everyone thinks is bullshitting (=0 favs) vs arguing honestly (37 favs here)
@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard

@woo @nuintari @firefoxwebdevs Exactly my point. Don’t say „we“, implying everyone here has the same opinion.

@firefoxwebdevs

(I LOVE the new video format! 🥰)

@wojtek it's so nice that Mastodon does 60fps.

Although, sorry, I'll be back in my garage for the web feature videos

@firefoxwebdevs uhm… bummer I'll try to live with that ( <hand on the forhead>farewall cruel world</hand on the forehead> )

@richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard The way that I interpret this discussion with Jake, even if it was not Jake who was personally involved, is that:

- Mozilla was always going to plow ahead with AI anyway
- Mozilla knew that Mastodon represented its largest group of its most enthusiastic supporters and promoters, and that this group is traditionally against AI creep
- They sent someone into this community feigning to solicit feedback in an effort to manufacture consent
- This failed predictably and spectacularly, and that hurt the representative's fee fees
- Now that Mozilla has, through naught but their own actions, completely alienated this community, they can claim that WE don't support THEM (c.f. Jake's false victim complex) and can claim moral high ground doing the thing they were so obviously going to do anyway.

So anyway, I've been a vocal supporter of Mozilla and its predecessors since the days of Netscape Navigator. A week ago I installed Vivaldi, and don't plan to go back.

@ivanvector @richardgrant @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard
Exactly this.

@ivanvector Succinctly: Mozilla is doing a lot of *talking* about their decisions, but not a lot of listening. They're here to tell us they're doing it, and are surveying the talking points people are going to use against them. Even if that's not their plan, that's effectively what they have actually done.

@ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I like Vivaldi but I dislike a Chromium monoculture, so I'll begrudgingly be using a trimmed-down Firefox until Servo is in beta territory.

@ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard “even if it was not Jake who was personally involved”
It's easy to miss, but it's right there, about half a second into the OPs gif:

@farlukar @ivanvector @richardgrant @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard Love my browser's marketing too run a psyop on mee

@liquor_american @farlukar @ivanvector @richardgrant @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard tremendous, isn't it

@farlukar @ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I changed from Chrome to Firefox last year because I was tired of Gemini on everything, and don't I feel like an asshole now

@PavelASamsonov At least the hop to forks is like stepping over an invisible property line instead of a flight of stairs? It’s an insult we have to, though.

@dymaxion This did not get the recognition it deserves for breadth and lucidity despite high concision, so *thank you* for putting it out there, even if the prompting party was about as receptive as a shoe-pebble.

@ivanvector @richardgrant @liquor_american @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard@circumstances.run

At this point, it looks like Mozilla leadership is deliberately trying to alienate their user base to shrink Firefox market share. Obviously this serves Google's interests.

I've been wondering lately how Mozilla leadership got there (what's the process to name and remove them?). Was Google involved in putting them in this position? How do we replace them with people who care about Firefox users instead?

@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @jaffathecake what about the same results appearing on mozilla connect, on github, on hacker news, on lobsters discussions? Whenever i go i just see a shared sentiment of criticism. Are all discussion places biased by no-AI enthusiastic power users brigading, or there is a slight probability that maybe there is too a bias inside Mozilla?

@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @jaffathecake i KNOW that it is impossibile, or at least very difficult, to make everyone happy but right now the opt-out kill button is just a tentative for damage control. I very well remember a lot of discussions a while ago when mozilla tried to restart and innovate Thunderbird. Still, even when a very minor vocal presence of old users were disappointed by the new UI/UX proposal, the team was able to address their concerns in very effective way, while integrating new features. This is not what is happening right now.