@firefoxwebdevs @ArneBab and also, not only "block" instead of disable, but "enhancements" instead of features

@duke_of_germany

I was one of those people that USED TO recommend Firefox.

@jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard

@jaffathecake

@froztbyte @barubary

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"hey, you know that place that has a strong representation of people who don't like AI? They don't like AI."
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I think you find that's called "the majority of the world population on the web that doesn't have a vested interest of profiting from the very flawed impression LLM AI is good at what the tech bros are trying to use it for". Why do you think nobody wants

Microslop Co-Pilot? Why do you think people are moving from Windows to Linux? Why do you think that OpenAI has woeful conversion to paid customers? Why do you think people are moving from Firefox to Vivaldi, that have stated they won't put AI in their products.

@jaffathecake @froztbyte @barubary

@ArneBab @firefoxwebdevs @dveditz

If you're gonna finagle the context then of course you can paint a more hopeful picture. We're of different minds & I won't change yours, but I also can't seem to help but respond since this is a topic I feel so strongly about. So I'm gonna do my best to paint the picture outright & mute the thread for my sanity.

1. We're less than a decade away before the damage to the climate is irreversible.
2. Mastodon has 5% of total twitter users after a decade.
3. Chrome, Safari, Edge, & Firefox make up 93% of all web traffic.
4. The US is already a fascist country, & countries don't revert after manufacturing consent to elect a fascist. Never in the history of ever; only violence changes this.
5. The right wing Nazification pipelines silicon valley made are highly effective at manufacturing said consent.
6. The US is pushing other nations to the right, & doing so effectively (see: brexit, age verification, chat control, etc).
7. The only thing the majority implementation of AI does effectively is destabilization. Examples: poisoning the information well with disinformation, using up freshwater resources & electricity at the rate of entire countries (so far), validating delusions for those believing AI is actually "thinking".
8. The stat of Nazi regimes lasting 30-50 years on average is based on much less advanced tools of population control.
9. Humanity cannot survive 50+ years of fascism due to the environmental damage alone.
10. Fascism benefits from catastrophe because enough pain & people *want* to be deluded, just to mentally escape from it.

There's not nearly enough power nor force nor scale in what already exists to push back against this. I'm not gonna call it an outright inevitability, but if nothing changes it will be.

@firefoxwebdevs Make it an extension that I can ignore. Until then, I'm sticking with #Waterfox.

@firefoxwebdevs it's like putting a bomb on my wheelchair and saying "don't worry, you can turn it off and will only be activated once you've interacted with the bomb"

@wojtek @firefoxwebdevs What do you think about the ethical concerns?

@ddelemeny @jaffathecake @froztbyte @fasterandworse @reflex I'll try them today

@firefoxwebdevs finally.
Can I trust it or it was vibe coded?

@jonny@neuromatch.social @jaffathecake@mastodon.social @duke_of_germany@mastodon.gamedev.place @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social And I mean it's not like this feature request was hugely popular or anything

https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/no-ai-in-the-browser/td-p/51616

@jonny@neuromatch.social @jaffathecake@mastodon.social @duke_of_germany@mastodon.gamedev.place @firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social If there's any evidence of a "silent majority who loooooove LLM integration", you'd think it would pop up as something like, I dunno, high sales for copilot during the microsoft earnings call or some such

https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/02/microsoft_ai_spend_copilot/

and yet

Only 3.3 percent of Microsoft 365 and Office 365 users who touch Copilot Chat actually pay for it...

... What Microsoft did not articulate is how small that paid footprint looks against the vast base of Microsoft 365 users experimenting with Copilot Chat for free...

@angelfeast @jaffathecake @fennix

@jaffathecake @ddelemeny @froztbyte It's worth noting that when it comes to altbot here on fedi, a lot of vision-impaired people have the opinion that it's not very useful

@davidgerard @thehighseas@ioc.exchange @jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Yeah, we've seen this before. One person phrases their objection in terms that can easily be misunderstood for a pithy answer, he zeroes in on them and ignores EVERYONE else.

(Hey Jake, here's an easy one for you to latch on to by pointing out that you don't ignore LITERALLY everyone else!)

@duke_of_germany @jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I just think we on Mastodon have a low tolerance for bullshit, which is ‘AI features nobody asked for’ in a nutshell.

chat i don't think bro's gonna address shit

@jaffathecake
I'm not sure you've actually "engaged" in any meaningful sense of the word. Certainly you've been conversing but it's not as though there's been concrete answers to questions. Upthread you've mostly avoided actually answering points and even here feigning confusion. Or, if it's not feigning, it paints a bleak picture of how prepared you are to interact with the Firefox userbase about this topic.

In case you aren't familiar, this might help:
https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/firefox-labs/share-your-feedback-on-the-ai-services-experiment-in-nightly/td-p/60519

The overwhelming response to this feature was:

1. Don't do it.
2. If you have to do it, keep it off by default.
3. If it can't be off by default make it an extension or put it in another build.
4. Dear god why won't you people listen?

Engagement would look like you're acting upon those concerns, or answering the direct questions you were presented with.
It doesn't look like picking sidequest arguments and deflecting from the actual poignant questions that were posed to you -- that's damage control, not engagement.

@jaffathecake
I’d work on that reading comprehension before you make a complete fool of yourself, “mate”.
@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard

@firefoxwebdevs Thank you for the option. But why can't I trust that you won't reactivate this option behind my back after a few updates?

Oh, I know... That's maybe because you've already abused this mechanism in the past with pushing 'sponsored suggestions' on my search bar, homepage, search engines, etc...