@dveditz yes -- so why a wording that feels so massively manipulative?

For example I don’t mind image description. I don’t even mind my mastodon ALT text being mined to describe images (such a feature actually helps blind people).

But when I click "block", I mean "block" and not "Ask me whether I really want to disable all these cool features and then again whether I want to enable some selected features despite the block".

@firefoxwebdevs

@ArneBab but it doesn't enable future feature by default.

You're blocking the entry points to these features, so they cannot be enabled.

@raymaccarthy @firefoxwebdevs Keen to understand more - why do you need to block scripts to be able to view the Guardian website?

What happens when you try to view the page without this?

Is there any error message?

#fxhelp

@raymaccarthy @plwt fwiw Vivaldi does have AI features like translation, and it even sends text to the cloud to perform that translation.

@firefoxwebdevs

Immediately restore the work of japanese language translators that you paved over with AI slop

AI Controversy Forces End of Mozilla’s Japanese SUMO Community

The SUMO Japanese team quits en masse, accusing Mozilla’s AI system of erasing years of community translation work.

Linuxiac (linuxiac.com)

#Firefox #Mozilla #Japanese #GenAI #AISlop #LLM

@tay @madduci correct! You're blocking the entry points for these features, and features like it in future.

@firefoxwebdevs enable future feature by default happens by default.

If that gets disabled on clicking [disable all] (or such), that’s the same choice, but without feeling as manipulative.

And "blocking the entry points … so they cannot be enabled" followed by options to enable them individually is part of what feels so wrong.

@mausmalone I don't think so. But of course it will be mentioned in release notes. We're not exactly being quiet about it.

@ArneBab We're stumbling on the wording here. 'Enabled' to many people means the feature is active. That's why we went with 'available' for features that aren't actively running, but their entry points are available.

@firefoxwebdevs AI crap like this has driven me back to using Lynx in the terminal for most of my browsing until I can find a browser not infected with Google, Apple, and now Firefox code. If I do need a graphic web browser I just us IronWolf and don't log into your account. I used to be a huge evangelist for your browser and other tools but no more. We have told you we don't want this, we want to support you and tell our friends to use you yet you make it impossible. For "Bob"'s sake LISTEN

@mkj the next major ESR release is 153.0esr. That will include all features between Fx140 and Fx153 and is scheduled to ship on 2026-06-21.

In terms of policy: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2005805

@plwt @firefoxwebdevs
Because for security I block all 3rd party scripts that don't result in site breaking. Not about adverts per-se.

The most likely route for malware today is 3rd party scripts. BBC & CNN have served them. That it often blocks adverts is a side effect. I'm not caring about adverts the actual site hosts.

Vivaldi's blocker is all or nothing, so with script blocking there are pop-up banners and the fold V or close X is missing.

@enthusiast101 huh, I'm not seeing that error. Could it be because of an extension?

@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

Won't see features

@ar_do personally, I agree, but we'd have been accused of sneaking AI in if we didn't https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746

@firefoxwebdevs @plwt
I've not used Vivaldi since last year:

Vivaldi AI – Qwant Search

Fast, reliable answers and still in trust: Qwant does not store your search data, does not sell your personal data and is hosted in Europe.

Qwant (www.qwant.com)

They claim to not have AI.

I use copy / paste to https://libretranslate.com/ if I need translation.

There is no Cloud. Only other people's servers!

@sarah I'm not sure what we can do to convince you other than hold the promise over time.

@firefoxwebdevs
I just noticed that it is because of an extension, sorry for the mistake.

I have extension that converts yt links to invidious ones.

@raymaccarthy @plwt it's easy to say you don't have AI if you define it so it doesn't include features you have.

Folks consider translation to be generative AI https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746

@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social

If you don't disregard overwhelmingly negative feedback regarding AI in Firefox while presentig a dead thread by like three people as "popular request for incorporating AI in Thunderbird" I think there's a possibility to rebuilt trust over time.