@KitsuneVixi @firefoxwebdevs we didn't call translation AI but people still consider it AI https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746

@alvan @firefoxwebdevs all of those features run locally

@budududuroiu @firefoxwebdevs "Preference falsification" is a neat rhetorical trick to ignore results one doesn't like. But the simple fact is that Mozilla made a post asking for feedback, and LITERALLY 99% of the replies were strongly negative.

So, who are Mozilla building this for? Not the users they asked about it, that's for sure.

@Mastokarl @alahmnat @firefoxwebdevs First, apologies for ruining your sleep!

Second, it is encouraging to think Kagi can do this. If it has an effective AI filter that might be what distinguishes it enough from Google that a critical mass of people switch.

(I can't imagine how you could program such a thing, though, when the whole point LLM output is to mimic human output as closely as possible.)

@jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs About as much disruption as downloading them by default for the people who are flipping this switch, no? Hardly seems worthy of a bigger warning than deleting stuff from a hard drive.

@mike @firefoxwebdevs A vocal community of a couple thousands is not representative of the millions of Firefox users. Most people don't care about AI in their browser.

@budududuroiu @firefoxwebdevs I wonder what your motivation can be for so strongly wanting a 99% consensus to be misrepresentative.

@mike @firefoxwebdevs You consider negative comments in a niche community (most Firefox users aren't forum dwellers) to be representative? I mean, at this point we're just playing team sports and "I'm Team No AI"

@dveditz @ArneBab @firefoxwebdevs here is why I think they are:

1. Silicon valley/"big tech" pushed for fascism in politics.
2. If AI is placed at every major access point to the internet, it'll create an unprecedented amount of control over information, monopolized by its owners.
3. If AI is placed around point-of-sale access, it'll create an unprecedented amount of control over who can buy what & at what price. Even without, but especially if digital currencies become the standard.
4. The combination of 2 & 3 will allow for unprecedented population control, literally allowing those at the wheel to deny essential goods & services to the noncompliant, while rewarding compliance.
5. Fascism's wet dream is 4. Fully automated domination.

Even though you work at Mozilla, I don't expect leadership to be forthright about such a thing. I mistrust AI itself so much that I presume anyone defending it to be either a liar, or naive about how colonialism functions (& its connection to AI).

@firefoxwebdevs is 147 considered heavy-weighted (without the kill-switch)? Sometimes I need a lightweight Firefox to run on older androids and as usual as AI is I would rather give features up for performance.

As it stands right now 147 struggle to open tab lists.

@ainmosni @firefoxwebdevs when do they download by default?

@jaffathecake @duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @jonny

Real

"Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong." vibes.

@jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs that is perfect then!

No, Jake, I am not aware of this, and I do not believe this to be true.

Mastodon users might be special in the way they articulate their opinion, but by no means does this represent a fringe notion.

See for example the links in the reply of @jonny, or the ongoing AI-vote by DuckDuckGo: https://voteyesornoai.com/.

Ask an arbitrary group of people head on if they want genAI directly built into their software, and they will overwhelmingly say "no".

@jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs

@jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs Aren’t they present before I click that toggle?

Stop portraying Mastodon users as the "anti-AI crazies".

Instead, ask yourself: "What is the relation between Mastodon users & Firefox?"

The answer:

An overwhelming number of Mastodon users used to be your champions.

They are tech people who used to recommend Firefox to the normies in their life. A crowd of mini-influencers, recommending your product.

And I don't understand why you go out of your way to alienate exactly these people.

@jonny @jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs
@davidgerard

@ainmosni @jaffathecake only if you've opted in. The models are downloaded on-demand, when you interact with the feature.

@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard you've put "anti-AI crazies" in quotes so I assume you're quoting me. Can you point to where I said that? Or are you trying to mislead people?

@duke_of_germany @jonny @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard I deliberately polled folks here because of the audience type. I wouldn't have done that if I considered their views 'crazy' as you put it.

Please get your words out of my mouth.

@ada 147 isn't considered heavy weighted. Have you tried running without extensions to see if the issue is there?