@pac85 well the artist also gets payed in this case to do something specific often.

Of course there are also collective of artists doing things together, but then it's a project and the project is still deciding even if individuals are having different opinions.

The mistake here is to assume users are part of the project, which they aren't. Just because they are allowed to participate doesn't grant them any further privileges like decision making rights.

@pac85 Also I heavily disagree with the "hostility" claim.

That's one-sided. The maintainers were never asked if they want a relationship with their users, but somehow if the users gets told "no" it's hostile.

That's kinda absurd, isn't it? Like it's a para-social construct. There is no relationship, but somehow we accept that fake relationships should drive how FOSS is operating which sounds very sick tbh.

@karolherbst well no, the moment you accept to be a maintainer you accept a number of responsibilities. The social aspects are just as important as the technical parts for maintainer. But more generally whenever there's a channel of communication I think the rules for decency apply and ignoring those leads to a perception of hostility. There's many ways of addressing the "I don't have the resources to fix this" problem and deciding to completely ignore the bug seems the worst to me even on a technical level (Eg. You might have the resources in the future).

@pac85 > well no, the moment you accept to be a maintainer you accept a number of responsibilities.

Nope, you don't. You accept nothing. You are free to participate in a community, but you are not obligated of doing so.

The only exception where one can demand things of you is if there is a contract you signed nd get paid for it.

@karolherbst I don't get where you are going with this. Are you gonna justify assholish behaviour just because someone is volunteering?

@pac85 Like if I go to a random manufacturer of something and "open issues" and they show me the door, I have to accept it. But if it's FOSS you claim it's hostile to show me the door.

@karolherbst this isn't true though? Customer services is a thing and big companies tend to lose money over a small number of individuals for the sake of pr.

@pac85 customer services has the right to throw out any customer for any reason unless it's like because of racism or so.

@pac85 But what you are arguing here for is, to not accept boundaries that maintainers/project set up.

And mostly "because it's FOSS and it has to be the way I think it needs to be".

And all I'm saying here is, that we all have to respect maintainers boundaries first. Then we can figure out the rest later.

dotstdy@mastodon.social hey, sorry to interject, but my uninvited thoughts on "happy to accept PRs" is that it's also problematic because it means you continue to assume the maintenance burden of any new functionality.

Being a project maintainer doesn't mean you are obligated to spend bandwidth on every pull request, either.

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