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Huawei says its new smartphone chip is entirely free of any US-made components
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Yeah buddy, that's because you're 12!
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Only some or them are doing genocide and bombing children tho
Don't be a disingenuous prick
I think you meant some of them aren't currently engaged in genocide. All of them have.
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Yeah buddy, that's because you're 12!
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I think every international company and government is corrupt.
Unlike my domestic companies and government, whose motives are pure and only serve the best interests of the people.
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I think you meant some of them aren't currently engaged in genocide. All of them have.
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Richard "big dick" Wolff is an expert on worker coops. Huawei is one
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Oh good grief why are you always so combative? I'm well aware that it's clearly an accomplishment - but it's also their only option besides go out of business so I don't know what the US expected to happen.
Also erm... no, they aren't end-to-end domestically produced:
The South China Morning Post noted Huawei is reducing reliance on advanced foreign semiconductor equipment
More interestingly, while the Kirin is considerably less dependent on US or Western tech, it doesn't remove it from the equation entirely, and you still have to look closely at the bill of materials for receipts.
SMIC's process, however, still leverages ASML immersion scanners.
They're getting there, but if we go by what's in the article they don't have that capability yet.
Your "I mean... Yeah?" set the tone here.
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Your "I mean... Yeah?" set the tone here.
OP has a long history of being incredibly hostile (bordering on abusive) to any perceived criticism - I assume this is why they interpreted "my lack of surprise at an almost tautological result" as somehow being criticism of Huawei or China.
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OP has a long history of being incredibly hostile (bordering on abusive) to any perceived criticism - I assume this is why they interpreted "my lack of surprise at an almost tautological result" as somehow being criticism of Huawei or China.
Yeah but when you come in with a tone that is based on previous interactions rather than the current one, anyone who doesn't know the previous context is going to see you as the combatative and the other commenter as just matching your energy.
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Yeah but when you come in with a tone that is based on previous interactions rather than the current one, anyone who doesn't know the previous context is going to see you as the combatative and the other commenter as just matching your energy.
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I'm following what you mean. I agree about my first comment (which I very much did not intend to be combative or critical of Huawei) - I think it's pretty clear it was too easy to misinterpret, but OP initially replied to me with an unwarranted degree of defensiveness / hostility which I then subsequently called out. I'm not sure I understand how that was me acting like they were out of line for returning the energy; they brought the energy which I then, to a less harsh extent, returned.
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I'm sorry, I'm not sure I'm following what you mean. I agree about my first comment (which I very much did not intend to be combative or critical of Huawei) - I think it's pretty clear it was too easy to misinterpret, but OP initially replied to me with an unwarranted degree of defensiveness / hostility which I then subsequently called out. I'm not sure I understand how that was me acting like they were out of line for returning the energy; they brought the energy which I then, to a less harsh extent, returned.
They did aim theirs more directly at you but that first time I read the exchange it did feel like yours had a similar (though less stated) contempt for OP. I can see now that you didn't necessarily intend that tone to be directed at OP but rather about the situation itself, but that misinterpretation did feel like it was setting a hostile stage that OP's reply wasn't an excessive escalation over.
And my last edit was just to say that even if you had intended that snark, it wasn't (IMO) an unacceptable amount to begin with, but then commenting on the hostility in the response (which I agree wasn't harsh itself) felt like you were playing the victim because someone fought back in a fight you started.
Btw, this isn't an attempt to shame you or make you feel bad or anything. I'm only engaging with you about this because you did seem to be asking about the hostility in good faith and I could see why both of you were getting so many downvotes and upvotes from that exchange. Though not sure how useful my analysis will be here, considering it all started from a misinterpreted comment in the first place rather than intended hostility lol.
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They did aim theirs more directly at you but that first time I read the exchange it did feel like yours had a similar (though less stated) contempt for OP. I can see now that you didn't necessarily intend that tone to be directed at OP but rather about the situation itself, but that misinterpretation did feel like it was setting a hostile stage that OP's reply wasn't an excessive escalation over.
And my last edit was just to say that even if you had intended that snark, it wasn't (IMO) an unacceptable amount to begin with, but then commenting on the hostility in the response (which I agree wasn't harsh itself) felt like you were playing the victim because someone fought back in a fight you started.
Btw, this isn't an attempt to shame you or make you feel bad or anything. I'm only engaging with you about this because you did seem to be asking about the hostility in good faith and I could see why both of you were getting so many downvotes and upvotes from that exchange. Though not sure how useful my analysis will be here, considering it all started from a misinterpreted comment in the first place rather than intended hostility lol.
Ah I see, thank you for taking the time to explain! I'm a little curious how much of that perceived hostility in the initial comment was due to multiple unbiased people misinterpreting it in the same way, and how much of that was because they encountered it within the context of OP immediately responding with such over the top defensiveness (an example of the combative behavior I called out).
Generally on lemmy you have to specify that you're responding to OP when making a top level comment ("Hey op, not to nitpick but [nitpick]" and similar), otherwise it's assumed you're replying to the post title or article. Given that, I'm not entirely sure why someone would assume I was attacking OP directly without the context of OP treating it as a personal attack (and no, to be clear it's just a response to the headline. I only noticed it was a YogPost
when they responded).edit: Which is not to blame OP for the misinterpretation, just curious how that may have lead to further misinterpretation.
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Oh good grief why are you always so combative? I'm well aware that it's clearly an accomplishment - but it's also their only option besides go out of business so I don't know what the US expected to happen.
Also erm... no, they aren't end-to-end domestically produced:
The South China Morning Post noted Huawei is reducing reliance on advanced foreign semiconductor equipment
More interestingly, while the Kirin is considerably less dependent on US or Western tech, it doesn't remove it from the equation entirely, and you still have to look closely at the bill of materials for receipts.
SMIC's process, however, still leverages ASML immersion scanners.
They're getting there, but if we go by what's in the article they don't have that capability yet.
Have you looked at the bill of materials for receipts?
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Xiaomi is the same. The new 18 fold - 5th generation - has the 3nm O3 ring chip. Entirely developed and manufactured by Xiaomi.
And this will only be the beginning.
This is something most western people and governments either don't or refuse to understand. All these BS sanctions on China, only motivate them more to develop counter products. Chinese will not curl up in a corner and cry. They will just shrug their shoulders and move on.
Like the whole Nexperia debacle caused by the Dutch, Trump brown nosing government.
Now all these vital chips for the western car industry, are now simply manufactured in China, not the Netherlands anymore. -
Xiaomi is the same. The new 18 fold - 5th generation - has the 3nm O3 ring chip. Entirely developed and manufactured by Xiaomi.
And this will only be the beginning.
This is something most western people and governments either don't or refuse to understand. All these BS sanctions on China, only motivate them more to develop counter products. Chinese will not curl up in a corner and cry. They will just shrug their shoulders and move on.
Like the whole Nexperia debacle caused by the Dutch, Trump brown nosing government.
Now all these vital chips for the western car industry, are now simply manufactured in China, not the Netherlands anymore.This is something most western people and governments either don’t or refuse to understand. All these BS sanctions on China, only motivate them more to develop counter products. Chinese will not curl up in a corner and cry. They will just shrug their shoulders and move on.
If by 'shrug and move on' you mean 'redouble or quadruple their efforts to generate a domestic semiconductor market', you're quite right.
China has made no secret of their desire to domestically produce their own tech. So have we in fairness, difference is China has a possibility and overall policy support to actually make it happen. Difference is China's been at it for 10+ years with a multi-pronged policy that includes trade, subsidies, market policy, and state support, and it's starting to really pay off. We've been at it for 2 years with a single-pronged policy of tariffs.
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Not directly related but isn't this the same company who was caught stealing ip from Samsung on how to manufacture memory?
Good for them, fuck samsung.
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This is something most western people and governments either don’t or refuse to understand. All these BS sanctions on China, only motivate them more to develop counter products. Chinese will not curl up in a corner and cry. They will just shrug their shoulders and move on.
If by 'shrug and move on' you mean 'redouble or quadruple their efforts to generate a domestic semiconductor market', you're quite right.
China has made no secret of their desire to domestically produce their own tech. So have we in fairness, difference is China has a possibility and overall policy support to actually make it happen. Difference is China's been at it for 10+ years with a multi-pronged policy that includes trade, subsidies, market policy, and state support, and it's starting to really pay off. We've been at it for 2 years with a single-pronged policy of tariffs.
I agree. The other thing is that China has are 25, 15, 10 and 5 year policy plans and broadly sticks to them. Plus they have backup plans for their backup plans.
Unlike most western governments that are being changed every few years - of they last that long - looking at you Holland. That means there is little to no continuity because the new government will have different plans, policies and priorities. For example look at America's infrastructure compared to China's. America's infrastructure is shambolic. Biden tried with his infrastructure bill, but that was killed like the first week that orange monstrosity took office.
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Richard "big dick" Wolff is an expert on worker coops. Huawei is one
But why does he look like Gendo Ikari in that photo?
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I agree. The other thing is that China has are 25, 15, 10 and 5 year policy plans and broadly sticks to them. Plus they have backup plans for their backup plans.
Unlike most western governments that are being changed every few years - of they last that long - looking at you Holland. That means there is little to no continuity because the new government will have different plans, policies and priorities. For example look at America's infrastructure compared to China's. America's infrastructure is shambolic. Biden tried with his infrastructure bill, but that was killed like the first week that orange monstrosity took office.
Exactly. And every politician seems to get elected by trashing the other guy, which means undoing every plan they put in place the second they take office.
Honestly that's something I strongly fault Obama for- he had a chance, he was elected on a mandate. But he refused to turn the screws his first term, didn't really fight for things the way GOP does.
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But why does he look like Gendo Ikari in that photo?
Because westerners are largely unaware that China has coops. It's something looming in the dark like Grando Ikari
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