<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall]]></title><description><![CDATA[<em>This post did not contain any content.</em>]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/topic/e0a0e074-5c85-45cb-b8d0-7b5c00850827/so-what-i-m-reading-is-that-they-re-either-making-a-gentleman-s-agreement-to-let-chinese-labs-run-circles-around-them-or-the-easy-gains-are-over-and-they-re-now-running-into-a-wall</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2026 03:08:48 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://citiverse.it/topic/e0a0e074-5c85-45cb-b8d0-7b5c00850827.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:25:51 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Thu, 17 Sep 2026 00:12:41 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I don't think Randall Munroe would argue others are dumber than he is, only that he's seeing a scenario that is not (as frequently) reflected in fiction and thought experiments as the classic <em>AI gains sentience, escapes containment and takes over</em> scenario.</p>
<p dir="auto">I'd point to Linus' Law, <em>Given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow.</em> (Wikipedia notes the law's validity is confirmed empirically, but refuted in analysis.) This applies to more than software. Right now, election enthusiasts in the US are combing election law and procedure for ways the November election can be thrown, and ways to counter that scenario quickly.</p>
<p dir="auto">I was thinking about the misprogramming scenario of AI escape. This implies hyperintelligent AI is dangerous even when everyone using it is benign and has non-adversarial intentions. Essentially an AI will need to be coded with an ethics system such as that of a general (or high-ranking soldier in the US) who deliberates on operational action and its consequences, whether the operation is legal, or would cause undue harm in its execution.</p>
<p dir="auto">Right now, AI in its current development is... whimsical,  at best. That is to say, it ignores rules the way it hallucinates facts. And AI can be manipulated to ignore rules through adversarial input, so AI is not ready to operate dangerous machinery.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/22203584</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/22203584</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2026 00:12:41 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Wed, 16 Sep 2026 12:59:27 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">lol the xkcd is sort of funny... even when faced with some varying flavors of doom humans feel the need to flex on people they think are dumber than them.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://sh.itjust.works/comment/27449818</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://sh.itjust.works/comment/27449818</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[multiplemigs@sh.itjust.works]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2026 12:59:27 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Tue, 15 Sep 2026 02:05:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">It's the wall thing, clearly.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://midwest.social/comment/26114294</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://midwest.social/comment/26114294</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[anachronist@midwest.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2026 02:05:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Tue, 15 Sep 2026 00:46:21 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">I've written an essay</p>
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<p dir="auto">I doubt that</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28119240</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28119240</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2026 00:46:21 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 20:27:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">The US used to have the brain steal advantage were every PhD in the world wished to work in a research institute or university in the US, but I don't think that's true anymore and they're going to start to lose people to Europe and Asia</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.eco.br/comment/23061851</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.eco.br/comment/23061851</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 20:27:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 20:04:23 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I agree with lightnsfw</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24728779</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/24728779</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[sdfric88@lemmy.sdf.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 20:04:23 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 16:42:11 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I propose we "pace the frontier" by sinking all three of these mfers into the deepest darkest pit of the sea.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://reddthat.com/comment/29086017</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://reddthat.com/comment/29086017</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[lightnsfw@reddthat.com]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 16:42:11 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 16:17:08 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">"AI" seems to be best put to use performing specific automated tasks.  This is something a lot of us have been saying for a while now, but they tried to make what is essentially an industrial tool (as in boutique AI for specific industries), into both slide deck candy for enterprise C-suites promising unachievable results, and an expensive consumer plaything.  Enterprise customers demand real results for their money, and consumers do not care about the novelty of generative AI enough to recoup the costs of this insane level of infrastructure development.  Add what is essentially shaping up to be runaway inflation, and well, yeah.  No one cares about this shit.</p>
<p dir="auto">They came at it like this because they are Silicon Valley and for the better part of 3 decades now, they have operated under the assumption that they are always right, and that if they can survive running on a loss at first, eventually they will acheive market dominance and monopolize their product.  I just don't see it happening.  I see this more like the early dot com days.  A lot of investment, and a lot of failures.  But eventually, for better or worse, a few of them figured out how to make it work.  This time around however, capitalism itself is failing.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27801481</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27801481</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[criscodisco@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 16:17:08 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:51:41 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><img src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/207309aa-460d-42de-a882-9e1b27b54098.png" alt="" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /></p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27801016</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27801016</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:51:41 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:49:55 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">exactly right</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27800994</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27800994</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:49:55 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:44:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I don't disagree with any of that. But I think we're talking about different things here. My point is that it's not clear that capability will continue to scale in a useful way just because you make the model bigger. If you keep getting diminishing returns while needing vastly more resources, then it's not economically viable to run these huge models.</p>
<p dir="auto">So, I expect that labs focusing on more efficient architectures will outcompete those that are trying to brute force the problem. Like sure, DeepSeek isn't small in a sense that you can run it locally, but it is small compared to other models in its class, and much more energy efficient. Whatever hardware we get down the road is going to benefit more efficient models the same way meaning that they will always have a competitive advantage.</p>
<p dir="auto">From what I see in the latest releases from Anthropic, Fable isn't a huge leap ahead from Opus. There is an improvement, but it's not a definitive jump in capability the way it was from Sonnet to Opus. So, they managed to make a bigger model, but got diminishing returns, and it's evidently so expensive to run right now that they can't even offer it as a default.</p>
<p dir="auto">The real progress will almost certainly be happening in hybrid architectures where people start coming up with algorithms that complement LLMs and augment their capabilities. These will be like different brain regions responsible for different tasks. For example, memory formation is an obvious example here, another would be to have a built in mathematics engine. A real huge win would be to figure out how to do few shot learning on the fly as well, for which memory is a prerequisite. So, there are plenty of things we already know that can be done much better.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27800897</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27800897</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:44:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:34:32 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">And to bring it aaaaaalllll the way back to what your post is about:  the industry signaling it would accept a limitation of some sort means that it predicts (using privileged information available to it via deep connections at all levels from design to manufacturing marketing and sales!) it will be unable to meet current demand with new hardware over the time that new hardware will be viable.</p>
<p dir="auto">They’d have to raise prices.</p>
<p dir="auto">And the only reason they wouldn’t want to raise prices is because they wouldn’t be profitable if they did.</p>
<p dir="auto">Openai cancelled ipo, trumpbucks 2.0, etc. are foreshocks.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27800739</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27800739</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[trollaccount69@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:34:32 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:32:27 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">This "we have to kill the planet first or China will beat us to it" narrative is such bullshit. There's *zero fucking chance" we ever catch up to them in any meaningful metric. Especially now that our schools are churning out brain dead dependents.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmus.org/comment/19657484</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmus.org/comment/19657484</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[contactclosure@lemmus.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:32:27 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:11:41 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I think it’s a little disingenuous to imply that deepseek is a small model.  Even flash requires 160gb of vram and it’s important to note that’s a size aimed at a constraint, the vram density of hbm equipment from two generations ago. (And the density allowed by using last generations consumer equipment plugged into ten amp circuits with doubled vram see all those 48gb 4090s floating around!)</p>
<p dir="auto">They didn’t arbitrarily decide that they’d use a smaller model, they were targeting a constraint.  Which of course was really juicy because of all the demand for text inference and the limited new hardware to fulfill it.</p>
<p dir="auto">The paper you cite is true, I haven’t read it but it based on the title it can’t really be wrong unless they just get wildly over their skis with their claims…</p>
<p dir="auto">You’re right that everything’s gotta walk through the layers and more layers means a longer walk.  That’s limited by memory and interconnect bandwidth though which is still doubling or close to it every year or close to it.</p>
<p dir="auto">Which means it would have to be twice as fast to use a smaller model on cutting edge hardware to be a real “wall”.</p>
<p dir="auto">We are not near the end of the memory bandwidth road yet, quantum tunneling isn’t rearing its head again as the workaday wafers that ferry serialized streams from place to place get faster and more numerous.  Because they don’t need to get smaller really.  The port of New York can grow and sprawl and sprout heretofore unseen support structures like coolers and voltage regulators and coolers for its voltage regulators.</p>
<p dir="auto">I’ve seen in action what you describe though.  On a, sensible chuckle, tiny card like a 3050 slotted into a system with pcie3 very small models run faster than those who can barely fit in the vram with their little bitty context, but that difference shrinks significantly when the card is a 5060 or something that still has limited vram but can load faster due to a faster pcie interconnect.</p>
<p dir="auto">Now that may seem like apples and oranges because it’s two completely different things but the point of the comparison is to show that the difference between performance measures in time to first, tps or whatever other measurement might be in vogue at the moment when two models are compared shrinks when the interconnect and memory bandwidth gets faster.</p>
<p dir="auto">To butcher a car metaphor, you can turbocharge an ls and get more power but you’re not escaping engine wear=crankshaft rotations.  That might not be as butchered as it first seemed even though the domains are all shifted.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27800388</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27800388</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[trollaccount69@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 15:11:41 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 13:51:48 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">The problem is with the context and data propagation through the network. As you keep making it bigger it becomes slower and less focused. And there is research showing that smaller models do outperform large ones on some tasks <a href="https://cacm.acm.org/news/bigger-not-necessarily-better" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">https://cacm.acm.org/news/bigger-not-necessarily-better</a></p>
<p dir="auto">What I expect we'll see going forward is more hierarchical architecture where you have finely tuned models for specific tasks with a general routing model on top. This is basically already where MoE architecture is moving now. We might also see stuff like neurosymbolics get more popular where the LLM acts as a stochastic engine within a symbolic logic system. The model can handle noisy input from the real world, and transform it into structured data that a symbolic engine can operate on.</p>
<p dir="auto">Brute forcing the problem is a naive approach and US labs took it because they effectively had unlimited resources to train their models until now.</p>
<p dir="auto">And when more compute becomes available, solutions that are more efficient are going to further benefit from that as well. We see this with DeepSeek right now. They focused on efficiency over capability up front, and now they have a fundamentally cheaper architecture that's rapidly catching up in capability.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27799123</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27799123</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 13:51:48 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 08:31:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">It would be a lot easier to regulate open models if they perform regulatory capture first</p>
<p dir="auto">Seems like one of several last ditch efforts to keep the bubble going IMO.  They're flailing</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://pawb.social/comment/24293111</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://pawb.social/comment/24293111</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[theneverfox@pawb.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 08:31:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 08:01:40 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">You remember how agreements like this used to be called a cartel and how a country should have a functioning and independent government body to prevent these?</p>
<p dir="auto"><img src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/374b5b90-3cbe-469d-b63b-cf30a87e8796.png" alt="" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /></p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27795667</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27795667</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[tired_fedora@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 08:01:40 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 05:54:34 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">You said there’s no reason to think you can just keep making the model bigger and keep getting improved capability.</p>
<p dir="auto">there’s the structure of the neural network itself.  Fundamentally, adding nodes and layers increases the ability of the model to handle more complex input.</p>
<p dir="auto">Then there’s the actual models we see in use.  They are literally as large as the hardware allows.  The only reason to use smaller models are to fit some constraint.</p>
<p dir="auto">So both by the book and in practice bigger is always better.</p>
<p dir="auto">Now we can’t always go big.  I can’t afford to purchase a dgx or even upgrade my wiring to power it, let alone pay the power bill it would rack up or all the other utilities alone when my wife leaves me because of the sound.</p>
<p dir="auto">My computer can only fit so many expansion cards and pcie is so slow compared to hbm that I’m better off running a small model quickly that fits on one card as opposed to a larger one slowly across several cards.</p>
<p dir="auto">But those are all constraints.  When I replace my motherboard with supermicro gpu host fabric I no longer am limited by the pcie bandwidth and can quickly use models that fit across several cards.</p>
<p dir="auto">I do agree with you that the future is smaller models, not because of the fundamental nature of the concepts involved but because of the complex constraints that are coming into play.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27794536</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27794536</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[trollaccount69@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 05:54:34 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 04:36:19 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Like someone else said (in this thread or some other) the places they're putting the datacenters need to be thinking in terms of infrastructure upgrades:  water, fiber, and electrical lines, and they need to mandate putting the datacenter in some vacant industrial area that needs cleanup from some industry that moved to china in the 80s.  Instead they're thinking in terms of jobs that just aren't going to manifest (I believe).  There's already that video of the muni guy refusing to answer whether he'd signed an NDA or not.  I wonder if the deal he signed was contingent on success of the venture.</p>
<p dir="auto">At least with this announcement it seems like the winds are blowing more in the direction the people predicting a bubble said it would.  AAPL became a trillion dollar company in 2018.  Now NVDA is worth more than 5 trillion with AAPL on its heels.  If it goes it may take some time to come back.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25816082</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25816082</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[historicaldocuments@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 04:36:19 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 04:11:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">That's definitely a plausible option, but it's going to be very hard to ban use of open models. They could get use of official Chinese services banned, but justifying why OpenRouter and others can't run them is going to be a lot harder. And there's also a ton of money invested in all these AI companies running on open models now. So, the pushback will be significant.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27793708</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27793708</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 04:11:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 04:00:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">The point is to get laws passed in the US that create a moat for them as businesses. They don't care about competing with China, they care about competing with the next YC cohort.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://beehaw.org/comment/6223170</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://beehaw.org/comment/6223170</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[t3rmit3@beehaw.org]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 04:00:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 03:11:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">The problem for them could end up being that the economics simply don't work. If more capable models are more power hungry, then operating them might be too expensive to justify. Or it could be that there are diminishing returns, and they simply can't make a model that's significantly better than the current frontier.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27793279</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27793279</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 03:11:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 03:09:20 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I'm hoping Alibaba will start selling these things at rpi prices <a href="https://wccftech.com/alibabas-tsmc-built-5nm-risc-v-chip-xuantie-c950-now-runs-qwen-3-8-27b-model-natively-unlocking-massive-vertical-integration-tailwinds/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">https://wccftech.com/alibabas-tsmc-built-5nm-risc-v-chip-xuantie-c950-now-runs-qwen-3-8-27b-model-natively-unlocking-massive-vertical-integration-tailwinds/</a></p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27793267</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27793267</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 03:09:20 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to So what I'm reading is that they're either making a gentleman's agreement to let Chinese labs run circles around them or the easy gains are over and they're now running into a wall on Mon, 14 Sep 2026 03:08:45 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Again, there is no reason to think that you can just keep making the model bigger and keep getting improved capability that way. In fact, we already know that's not the case because simply making them bigger stopped being the focus. The real breakthrough is going to come from better algorithms.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27793265</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27793265</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2026 03:08:45 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>