Laziness still a factor methinks and people are often not that stupid ime, they know exactly what they are doing when they outsource social networking to meta or shopping to Jeff.

We've been outsourcing effort since the oldowan and things got really bad in wake of writing, this is not new.

The twitch thing seems a bit absurd where if streamers don't consent the poor LLM's will need to actually watch the drivel they are openly streaming for attention instead of getting it via API which will just waste more cpu cycles for lolz.

Luckily, we're not just "consumers." We're also citizenswho can exercise political power. That's hard work – but so is organizing a co-op or a boycott. The difference is, when we dog enforcers who wield the power of the state, and line up behind them when they start to do their jobs, we can make deep structural differences that go far beyond anything we can make happen as consumers:

Pluralistic: 18 Oct 2022 Being good at your job is praxis – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

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We're not just "consumers" or "citizens" – we're also workers, and when workers come together in unions, they, too, can concentrate the diffuse, atomized power of the individual into a single, powerful entity that can hold the forces of capital in check:

Pluralistic: The unexpected upside of multinational monopoly capitalism (10 Apr 2024) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

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And all of these things work together; when regulators do their jobs, they protect workers who are unionizing:

Pluralistic: NLRB rules that any union busting triggers automatic union recognition (06 Sept 2023) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

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And strong labor power can force cartels to abandon their plans to rig the market so that every consumer choice makes them more powerful:

How the Writers Guild sunk AI’s ship – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

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And when consumers can choose better, local, more ethical businesses at competitive rates, those choices can make a difference:

View a SKU – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

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Antimonopoly policy is the foundation for all forms of people-power. The very instant corporations become too big to fail, jail or care is the instant that "voting with your wallet" becomes a waste of time.

i can see a somewhat clear path in moving people not off of social media, but to fairer platforms.

Using Amazon, or Twitter, or Facebook, or Google, or Doordash, or Uber doesn't make you lazy. Platform capitalism isn't enshittifying because you made the wrong shopping choices.

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When [we] blame corporate power on "laziness," we buy into the corporations' own story about how they came to dominate our lives: we just prefer them. This is how Google explains away its 90% market-share in search: we just chose Google. But we didn't, not really – Google spends tens of billions of dollars every single year buying up the search-box on every website, phone, and operating system:

Pluralistic: Google reneged on the monopolistic bargain; The Bezzle excerpt (Part IV) (21 Feb 2024) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

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Blaming "laziness" for corporate dominance also buys into the monopolists' claim that the only way to have convenient, easy-to-use services is to cede power to them. Facebook claims it's literally impossible for you to carry on social relations with the people that matter to you without also letting them spy on you. When we criticize people for wanting to hang out online with the people they love, we send the message that they need to choose loneliness and isolation, or they will be complicit in monopoly.

now some of y'all for some reason are fine with it if it's a multi trillion dollar company doing the stealing

It's everyone's right to do whatever TF they want with the stuff that's literally sent to their computer on purpose. That includes using that thing to train AI.

Exactly. As long as they don’t sell it or anything directly derived from it for profit afterwards. Else that would be copyright infringement, as has been tested in court thousands of times.

Having said that, Twitch streams are public almost all of the time so complaining that they're being used in ways the creator never intended is a bit like complaining that someone caught you picking your nose in public.

We learned this lesson in the 90s: Once something goes public on the Internet, it is no longer under the creator's/publisher's control. People can and will do whatever TF they want with it. As long as they're not redistributing it without permission, that is legal.

It's everyone's right to do whatever TF they want with the stuff that's literally sent to their computer on purpose. That includes using that thing to train AI.

We were generating the slop and feeding it to the beast on a grand scale for decades, now the beast is vomiting all the slop back up.

generative AI is different

i think it can be useful in some situations but i think it should be trained ethically

there was some resistance in the early 2000's but we got lazy and want cheap flights, easy ways to pay for shit and real time maps so gave it all up for lolz

this shouldn't be normalized