GrapheneOS duress PIN could land a man in prison
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How are they supposed to know there was evidence on it? I'm allowed to delete my files, aren't I?
They aren't but it is the same as if you have been accused of murdering some one and you burn the car you are accused of moving the body to the river in.
Edit: I am not saying i think its how i should work but its the logic behind it
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Alternately, a user profile that isn't displayed anywhere, but accessible only through a specific PIN, maybe. Not sure how you'd explain the storage space either option used, however.
It should work like truecrypt used to where there's no sign some of the encrypted blob is not actually visible in the fake os.
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I'm no lawyer, but I think that's called circumstantial(ly improbable). Try convincing a jury of that. 🥲
This sounds a lot like proving my innocence instead of them having to prove guilt.
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Seems like what's needed is the ability to load an alternate profile or some kind of demo mode based on the pin. Something that looks normal but doesn't have any info you don't want others to see, without actually deleting anything.
Or loads a dummy profile and deletes other profiles without giving away what is happening.
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Name one thing that can't land you in prison in the US. I'll wait.
Being white
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It should work like truecrypt used to where there's no sign some of the encrypted blob is not actually visible in the fake os.
I think the point is that if you load an empty profile (no photos, no videos, no apps, etc) but your phone storage is nearly full, it could throw up a red flag.
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How are they supposed to know there was evidence on it? I'm allowed to delete my files, aren't I?
Not if you're given a Lawful Order (tm) to produce that material. Whether or not that material is incriminating is irrelevant.
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Seems like what's needed is the ability to load an alternate profile or some kind of demo mode based on the pin. Something that looks normal but doesn't have any info you don't want others to see, without actually deleting anything.
I had this feature on a Xiaomi phone that i had a few years ago. I could even set up the fingerprint reader to open a different profile depending on which finger i used.
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Name one thing that can't land you in prison in the US. I'll wait.
pedophilia (if you are rich)
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Supreme court has ruled that warrantless phone search at the border is bogus, but theyre too shitpantsed to stick with it
they are evil and hypocritical is what they are.
they want to make an example out of people trying to escape the panopticon.
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I had this feature on a Xiaomi phone that i had a few years ago. I could even set up the fingerprint reader to open a different profile depending on which finger i used.
Sounds awesome.
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How are they supposed to know there was evidence on it? I'm allowed to delete my files, aren't I?
i think it would have been different if he wiped it before he came through customs. he gave them the pin, which destroyed the data after it was requested. almost like the phone was boobytrapped.
personally i just try to delete most of my communication apps on the plane before i get back to the states (signal, lemmy, instagram...) in case they want to search my phone and get mad about a meme. (precident). i also try to offload as much as possible to selfhosted apps where applicable (rss reader, podcasts) so i can just log back in and have everything.
i dont know how far these searches can go, but id be worried about password managers and app store history too along with any account where you can just "log in with google" or whatever. once the device is unlocked and in their hands, they can have access to quite a bit of personal information.
i bet theyre just pissy this technology exists and are trying to make it illegal.
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They aren't but it is the same as if you have been accused of murdering some one and you burn the car you are accused of moving the body to the river in.
Edit: I am not saying i think its how i should work but its the logic behind it
They didn't accuse him of anything, and let him go afterwards. This was an illegal search attempt.
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You have to carry a piece of paper in your wallet that contains a PIN. The piece of paper contains no further information, just a PIN. You decline to answer any questions regarding this piece of paper or your phone’s PIN.
This might not be a good idea, depending on your jurisdiction.
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Indirectly murdering hundreds of thousands of people in pursuit of profits.
Got me there
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You have to carry a piece of paper in your wallet that contains a PIN. The piece of paper contains no further information, just a PIN. You decline to answer any questions regarding this piece of paper or your phone’s PIN.
This might not be a good idea, depending on your jurisdiction.
You can have a business card with a "phone"number on it. (Your pin can be any part of that number it is only you who needs to know where to start reading the code).
You don't need to have a sus number only piece of paper.
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You have to carry a piece of paper in your wallet that contains a PIN. The piece of paper contains no further information, just a PIN. You decline to answer any questions regarding this piece of paper or your phone’s PIN.
This might not be a good idea, depending on your jurisdiction.
I'm not going to disclose my specific way, but numbers don't need decimal digits to be expressed and parsed. An hypothetical example:
Oh... ye shadow! Nahamah, my Mother
Believe it or not, this is encoding the today's date, 2026-07-26.
Oh = 2 letters
Elipsis = no letters, so 0
ye = 2 letters
shadow = 6 letters
Nahamah = 7
My = 2
Mother = 6
The funny part? I just conjured this technique during the composition of this very reply. It's somehow easy for me to conjure atypical steganographic techniques, and I use steganography quite often IRL. In this way, I can literally write down my passwords and keep in my wallet, and absolutely nobody will get to figure out it's meant to be a password.
Luckily for FBI and other investigation agencies, I dont even think of visiting the USA, but good luck for any fed or cop trying to keep up with my plethora of steganographic techniques (and my neurodivergent brain) amidst plausible deniability if I ever did. Lol
!privacy@lemmy.ml -
pedophilia (if you are rich)
Even convicted pedo can avoid prison https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case
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Seems like what's needed is the ability to load an alternate profile or some kind of demo mode based on the pin. Something that looks normal but doesn't have any info you don't want others to see, without actually deleting anything.
Dont think that would be as secure. Once a phone has been unlocked after reboot, even if it has been locked again, the operating system and ram can be accessed quite easily with the correct tools and border controls have those tools.
Even a Graphene phone is only properly secure before first unlock after reboot. So i would not personally rely on allowing acess to any profile. I would assume its possible, (probably trivial) to gain complete access from there.
Any duress pin use should be covered under a person's right to avoid self incrimination.
If the phone is owned by your employer and they are the investigation target, then you might be on dodgy ground.
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And that person is the officer that destroyed the evidence
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