"Progress" in what manner, and for who?

Reply to "Progress" in what manner, and for who? on Fri, 24 Jul 2026 12:18:07 GMT

gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml — Fri, 24 Jul 2026 12:18:07 GMT

you're the one who doesn't understand how quantitative change produces qualitative change. that is not possible in bourgeois "democracy" because you're never allowed enough quantitative change to produce qualitative change. even in the case you mention about the 8hs work shift, that is no longer the case in a lot of countries or for a lot of people even in the first world. the law might not have changed that the shift can't be much more than 8hs, but you can have 2 jobs, you can do extra hours and no option to deny them. and in some countries you actually don't have an 8 hours shift. so no, those laws don't secure anything and they are no guarantee this will remain true in the foreseable future. in most cases what it takes is 1 (one, ONE!!!) term from the "left to fascism party" and that can be reversed. i understand you're asking in good faith, but i find it bizarre that you trust so blindly the political ideology of a class that isn't yours, robs and abuses you.

Reply to "Progress" in what manner, and for who? on Fri, 24 Jul 2026 10:56:00 GMT

spacehooks@reddthat.com — Fri, 24 Jul 2026 10:56:00 GMT

Yes, so all the laws securing that over the decades doesnt count as incrmental change? Maybe we have different interpretation of the definition of incremental change?

Reply to "Progress" in what manner, and for who? on Thu, 23 Jul 2026 13:48:09 GMT

cowbee@lemmy.ml — Thu, 23 Jul 2026 13:48:09 GMT

The shift to the 40 hour work week came alongside 2 critical advancements: organized working classes taking inspiration from successful socialist revolution, and the expansion of imperialism abroad. Devastating working conditions were exported from the global north to the global south in a collective agreement to stop a risk of revolution.

Reply to "Progress" in what manner, and for who? on Thu, 23 Jul 2026 13:45:13 GMT

spacehooks@reddthat.com — Thu, 23 Jul 2026 13:45:13 GMT

8 hr work day from 16 is an improvement. Need more though.

The modern movement originated in the Industrial Revolution in Britain, where industrial production in large factories transformed working life. At that time, the working day could range from 10 to 16 hours, the work week was typically six days, and child labour was common.