@stefan @FinchHaven seems to be basically confirmed now that they are at least using Bluesky/ATproto code because they have things like a PDS and a W-branded version of Bluesky's web app running out in the open:
https://stage.wsocial.eu/
https://pds-stage.wsocial.eu/
Whether or not this means an entirely separate network or not is another question ofc...
No, I stopped following these non-real standard projects. I do also doubt some actors.
I am very disappointed - there are more and more such projects where volunteers are involved …
https://digitalcourage.social/@sl007/115934447986369998
cc @bjoernsta @leonido (shame on you)
@stefan Strange. Why wouldn't they choose ActivityPub instead?
@stefan It could just be their own masto instances? Please tell me it's just their own masto instances?
what anonymity do you have when creating a website? you have the same ability to post hate and misinfo that way. the only difference with decentralized social media is the boost. it's just a faster and easier way to spread that stuff than email or linking to it in your blog.
the problem is the bad shit plus the corporate algorithm. that it quickly figures out what vile stuff is triggering people and is able to push it out to millions and the profit incentive demands it.
@GrahamDowns Great question, would love to know as well!
(Not that I think we'll be missing out much.)
@uastronomer Nope, looks like it's using ATproto: https://atprotocol.dev/w-for-atproto/
@stefan @uastronomer does ATproto still require that the main Bluesky servers are up?
@sl007 I agree. To me, ATproto/atmosphere will always be an attempt to coopt a successful grassroots movement that aims to take control of our social media away from tech companies. And they seem to be quite successful.
Still, seeing efforts like Blacksky and Northsky does give me hope that the control can be maybe wrestled back.
@jcrabapple Blacksky recently managed to create their own appview, which was the last missing piece for full independence from Bluesky, from what I understand.
As for Northsky, --
"yes, Northsky will have it's own Apps / AppView as part of Phase 2 of development."
*simple answer as in what is “production ready for the average person to use” @transrights.northsky.social, @eurosky.social are there future plans to host your own AppView? I know right now it’s PDS hosting which is still important!
Bluesky Social (bsky.app)
(No word from Eurosky in the same thread.)
@stefan Just imagine if every Fedi admin in Europe would start spamming the media with “we’re building a European alternative to X”.
It would be silly, but still more true than these clowns.
@stefan @uastronomer it seems like an awful lot of up front work and maintenance to stay "independent".
@slothrop Ha, maybe they should, though!
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