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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January?
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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January? Something that promised to be the "first" European social network?
Its name is #WSocial and it's a fork of #Bluesky. Its founders have ties with European politicians - but there is no official involvement by the EU.
You wouldn't know any of this from media reports because they all rehashed their talking points. So I wrote a post about it, dispelling some myths:
https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-uncovered-the-reality-behind-the-hype/
Well done for digging into this, it's concerning how many corporations are trying to pretend to be the good guys.
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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January? Something that promised to be the "first" European social network?
Its name is #WSocial and it's a fork of #Bluesky. Its founders have ties with European politicians - but there is no official involvement by the EU.
You wouldn't know any of this from media reports because they all rehashed their talking points. So I wrote a post about it, dispelling some myths:
https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-uncovered-the-reality-behind-the-hype/
@_elena Già mi puzzava alla frase "Il primo social europeo", perché allora che cazzo sarebbe Mastodon? Algerino?
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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January? Something that promised to be the "first" European social network?
Its name is #WSocial and it's a fork of #Bluesky. Its founders have ties with European politicians - but there is no official involvement by the EU.
You wouldn't know any of this from media reports because they all rehashed their talking points. So I wrote a post about it, dispelling some myths:
https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-uncovered-the-reality-behind-the-hype/
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@_elena Già mi puzzava alla frase "Il primo social europeo", perché allora che cazzo sarebbe Mastodon? Algerino?
@Ryoma123 gallico
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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January? Something that promised to be the "first" European social network?
Its name is #WSocial and it's a fork of #Bluesky. Its founders have ties with European politicians - but there is no official involvement by the EU.
You wouldn't know any of this from media reports because they all rehashed their talking points. So I wrote a post about it, dispelling some myths:
https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-uncovered-the-reality-behind-the-hype/
@_elena didn't realise WEF Social was still a thing
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@petitcoeur @_elena I don't think it's much better than W personally. They're currently more dependent than W will be when they launch tomorrow since the only thing Eurosky provides right now is a PDS and in my opinion they're not really being very honest about the limitations of what they're offering either even if slightly less deceptive when it comes to the Bluesky connection.
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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January? Something that promised to be the "first" European social network?
Its name is #WSocial and it's a fork of #Bluesky. Its founders have ties with European politicians - but there is no official involvement by the EU.
You wouldn't know any of this from media reports because they all rehashed their talking points. So I wrote a post about it, dispelling some myths:
https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-uncovered-the-reality-behind-the-hype/
@_elena anytime you see a privacy policy page with anything more than we don’t collect your data you should run screaming .. and they have a very lengthy privacy policy.
Is this different than eYou ?
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@hannes99 @petitcoeur pretty sure W will also launch with at least an app so they've got more (though still far from complete) services to provide instead of relying on Bluesky for even the basics.
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@hannes99 @petitcoeur pretty sure W will also launch with at least an app so they've got more (though still far from complete) services to provide instead of relying on Bluesky for even the basics.
@ikuturso @petitcoeur we will see tomorrow
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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January? Something that promised to be the "first" European social network?
Its name is #WSocial and it's a fork of #Bluesky. Its founders have ties with European politicians - but there is no official involvement by the EU.
You wouldn't know any of this from media reports because they all rehashed their talking points. So I wrote a post about it, dispelling some myths:
https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-uncovered-the-reality-behind-the-hype/
@_elena Thanks for doing all the research and for writing this up!
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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January? Something that promised to be the "first" European social network?
Its name is #WSocial and it's a fork of #Bluesky. Its founders have ties with European politicians - but there is no official involvement by the EU.
You wouldn't know any of this from media reports because they all rehashed their talking points. So I wrote a post about it, dispelling some myths:
https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-uncovered-the-reality-behind-the-hype/
This was great, thanks!
And maybe it's because I'm old, but I would have gladly read a much longer article shining light into the dark corners of W.
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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January? Something that promised to be the "first" European social network?
Its name is #WSocial and it's a fork of #Bluesky. Its founders have ties with European politicians - but there is no official involvement by the EU.
You wouldn't know any of this from media reports because they all rehashed their talking points. So I wrote a post about it, dispelling some myths:
https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-uncovered-the-reality-behind-the-hype/
@_elena WSocial and Eurosky.Social are not a fork of BlueSky. In fact all of them are AT protocol instances. Which btw. you could also host yourself. Basically very comparable with the many ActivityPub instances. I think we in the Fediverse should keep being fair.
Definitely better at AT protocol is, that you can move your account including your posts. You can even keep your handle if you have an own domain. Something that the Fediverse could do better.
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@_elena Thanks for doing all the research and for writing this up!
@babetteknauer thank you Babette!
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Regarding my W Social exposé: it was months in the making and I could have written a LOT more, showing additional examples of technical blunders, but I kept it "brief" at 3500 words
I ran out of characters to tag all the awesome people I mentioned in the piece: @doktorzjivago (thanks for the top notch meme), @tom @mapache and @Em0nM4stodon
And special thanks to people who volunteered to proof-read a draft and gave me fantastic feedback: @bitzero and @DataKnightmare
It takes a village
️@_elena
This is truly an excellent piece! Thank you for conducting this important research, and for bringing this issue to the attention of the public. This is a very important topic!And thank you so much for linking to my article
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M macfranc@poliverso.org ha condiviso questa discussione su
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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January? Something that promised to be the "first" European social network?
Its name is #WSocial and it's a fork of #Bluesky. Its founders have ties with European politicians - but there is no official involvement by the EU.
You wouldn't know any of this from media reports because they all rehashed their talking points. So I wrote a post about it, dispelling some myths:
https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-uncovered-the-reality-behind-the-hype/
Good article, but I just want to correct one information from a quote you added to the article.
Technically is because setting-up/supporting/maintaining the firehose/relay layer is very expensive. Every single message would flow through there; creating the biggest firehose in Europe is such a power. So, it is easier to be controlled, and very unlikely to be replicated by other entities.
This is very outdated information. Currently, it's very cheap to run an atproto relay ( https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mfkrfvy3ok2u ), there are multiple of them up and running https://pulsar.feeds.blue/ (both relays and firehoses). So this theory has no foundation. Though it is a centralization point of an app (if the app doesn't allow you to change your relay, because some Bluesky clients allow that) that can be used as an additional moderation point for the app, which can end up in censorship if things go evil (though so far relays only block spam networks).
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Good article, but I just want to correct one information from a quote you added to the article.
Technically is because setting-up/supporting/maintaining the firehose/relay layer is very expensive. Every single message would flow through there; creating the biggest firehose in Europe is such a power. So, it is easier to be controlled, and very unlikely to be replicated by other entities.
This is very outdated information. Currently, it's very cheap to run an atproto relay ( https://bsky.app/profile/bad-example.com/post/3mfkrfvy3ok2u ), there are multiple of them up and running https://pulsar.feeds.blue/ (both relays and firehoses). So this theory has no foundation. Though it is a centralization point of an app (if the app doesn't allow you to change your relay, because some Bluesky clients allow that) that can be used as an additional moderation point for the app, which can end up in censorship if things go evil (though so far relays only block spam networks).
What can be expensive is the AppView layer (kinda as an API for the app) when you are trying to process all the millions of users from the Bluesky microblog platform. And this layer can also be affected by moderation decisions from the provider.
For now only Blacksky has an AppView alternative as big as Bluesky's. But Eurosky and Northsky both have building an AppView in their roadmaps.
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@_elena what pissed me off even more is the kind of conversation I heard in a podcast (do not remember which one but a replay from a french radio show) where they said "it is really sad that no social network exists where we can have unfiltered posts and for which the business model is not driven by ads".
@michaelmathy @_elena why do people say such stupid things?
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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January? Something that promised to be the "first" European social network?
Its name is #WSocial and it's a fork of #Bluesky. Its founders have ties with European politicians - but there is no official involvement by the EU.
You wouldn't know any of this from media reports because they all rehashed their talking points. So I wrote a post about it, dispelling some myths:
https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-uncovered-the-reality-behind-the-hype/
@_elena @pluralistic Wow, this is surprising. I don’t live in Europe, so I didn’t hear about W Social at all.
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@gimulnautti that is a valid concern but saying that's how it *will* end up i's a very cynical outlook for an effort that could still produce something positive... people need to get involved and fight against the forces that try to make it fail like that even if it is difficult when faced with lobbyists like these.
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Do you remember the surprise announcement of a new social network in Davos this past January? Something that promised to be the "first" European social network?
Its name is #WSocial and it's a fork of #Bluesky. Its founders have ties with European politicians - but there is no official involvement by the EU.
You wouldn't know any of this from media reports because they all rehashed their talking points. So I wrote a post about it, dispelling some myths:
https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-uncovered-the-reality-behind-the-hype/
@_elena excellent investigation, thank you for putting the work.
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