<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them.]]></title><description><![CDATA[<em>This post did not contain any content.</em>]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/topic/4dcad4ca-39b9-4ac0-94cf-aa3954e13c44/ai-isn-t-outthinking-mathematicians.-it-s-out-remembering-them.</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2026 10:16:48 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://citiverse.it/topic/4dcad4ca-39b9-4ac0-94cf-aa3954e13c44.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 02:32:58 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Tue, 18 Aug 2026 01:41:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">It's largely a matter of lateral thinking and metacognition</p>
<p dir="auto">Like tripping over a bucket isn't going to make you shout eureka!  But you're thinking on the problem, and you remember seeing a seller carefully packing his things up for the day into neatly sorted boxes</p>
<p dir="auto">(Or sometimes you do trip over a bucket, which reminds you of the seller)</p>
<p dir="auto">You take the root concept, sorting things using a number of containers, and then you deconstruct and reconstruct pieces of the pattern to reapply aspects of it to your problem</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://pawb.social/comment/23824485</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://pawb.social/comment/23824485</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[theneverfox@pawb.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2026 01:41:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Mon, 17 Aug 2026 13:37:08 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Well yeah… AI research started out in the Soviet Union precisely as an investigation of intelligence and consciousness. The goal was never to replace workers (as you know, the USSR was socialist). It was a scientific investigation of our own minds. The idea was that by learning how to build and artificial mind, every step would help us learn about our own “natural” minds.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27296596</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27296596</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[novibe@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 13:37:08 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:54:59 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I enjoyed it quite a bit. <img src="https://citiverse.it/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f642.png?v=b09b169718a" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--slightly_smiling_face" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":)" alt="🙂" /></p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27286856</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27286856</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:54:59 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:54:44 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Oh I agree there, the end result is what matters. And I think we can view this in a similar way to a person using a calculator to crunch large numbers. It's just a tool to help us think about bigger problems.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27286850</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27286850</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:54:44 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:48:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Apologies, meant to be taken in the context of the headline:</p>
<p dir="auto">Does it matter that AI is remembering if on the whole we are getting problems solved faster?</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25331349</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25331349</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[xylogx@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:48:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:41:04 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">This distinction gets explored some in the book Children of Ruin.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27286664</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27286664</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nobody_special@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:41:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:32:45 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Yes, it obviously matters if we have more math problem solved because a lot of math problems directly apply to engineering which lets us build new and interesting things we couldn't make before.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27286562</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27286562</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:32:45 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:30:51 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">For sure, we don't really have a formal definition for what things like thinking or consciousness are right now. So, it's all a bit slippery as a result. <img src="https://citiverse.it/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f642.png?v=b09b169718a" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--slightly_smiling_face" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":)" alt="🙂" /></p>
<p dir="auto">I do think that our minds are probabilistic engines, and what makes the whole thing work is the feedback loop. Since we have embodied consciousness, our internal simulation of the world gets constant feedback from primary reality keeping it on track. And we can see how quickly human minds go off the rails when that loop is broken when people get disorders like schizophrenia.</p>
<p dir="auto">I kind of view consciousness as a workspace for the mind with most of the work happening within the subconscious. Consciousness is a mechanism which forces all the parallel processes within the mind to go through a single bottleneck and settle on a single course of action.</p>
<p dir="auto">Incidentally, I really enjoyed The Society of Mind by Minsky, I am A Strange Loop by Hofstadter, and Consciousness Explained from Dennett. They do a fairly good job discussing the plausible mechanics.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27286542</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27286542</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 20:30:51 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 19:29:30 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I think this is an interesting thread. Is creativity just a matter of combinatorics over the right data? Or is it something more? Like you are thinking about existing solutions and theorems, and then you trip over a bucket and come up with bucket sort or something</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25330169</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25330169</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[lung@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 19:29:30 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 15:28:59 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">So remembering is not thinking?</p>
<p dir="auto">Does it matter if we get more math problems solved?</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25326655</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25326655</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[xylogx@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 15:28:59 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 14:59:22 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">True, but if it is not known what thinking is then it is hard to be sure AI models are not doing it.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25326248</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25326248</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[miller@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 14:59:22 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 14:58:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I largely agree with what you said, the problem is phrases like 'simulate hypothetical events' and 'applying this mechanism' are just other ways of saying thinking and do not pin down what thinking is. I know it is not understood what thinking is so I cannot expect you to solve it on Lemmy. I do think it is the manipulation and re-weighting of memory and did therefore feel the original statement that AI models have good memory but poorer ability to think was a little tautologous.</p>
<p dir="auto">The success of LLM in mimicking human communication makes me wonder if they have unintentionally solved what thinking is and that the human mind is probabilistic. Our minds might decide upon the next event by experience of what successfully followed in similar previously observed situations. This probability work all being run in the subconscious mind, the answer then being passed to the conscious mind which congratulates itself on thinking it out. Similar systems work for picking up a cup, my conscious mind decides I want to pick up a cup but it is the subconscious mind that does all the hard labour of sending appropriate signals to the muscles in my arm. As with reasoning this could have been learned by the subconscious probabilistically. In infancy sending out many signals and seeing which reached for the cup.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25326225</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25326225</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[miller@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 14:58:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 14:05:41 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I disagree, thinking is simulating. Our brains evolved to create an internal world model which allows us to simulate hypothetical events and project into the future based on that. Abstract thinking is just applying this mechanism to non-physical things such as math, where we internalize the rules of the system through study and then develop intuition for creating valid connections.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27280986</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27280986</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[yogthos@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 14:05:41 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 13:22:12 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">That’s a neat hypothesis, but there is no settled science on what is “thinking”. Specially thinking in the sense of coming up with new ideas.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27280425</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27280425</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[novibe@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 13:22:12 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 12:50:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">But my point is thinking is all smoke and mirrors, its really just an active memory.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25324654</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/25324654</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[miller@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 12:50:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 10:45:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">This is a problem for me. I'm a good rememberer but not a great creative thinker.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27278702</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27278702</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[tenderizer78@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 10:45:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 10:44:55 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">And that reorganization and reinterpretation is the difficult part for AI.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27278695</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.ml/comment/27278695</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[tenderizer78@lemmy.ml]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 10:44:55 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to AI Isn’t Outthinking Mathematicians. It’s Out-Remembering Them. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 09:42:59 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I think this distinction is imagined, thinking is largely just a reorganisation and reinterpretation of memory.</p>
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