@firefoxwebdevs

What Mozilla did: ️

What the users actually wanted: ️

@wojtek @fabio @firefoxwebdevs then why do a survey?

@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs Don’t write "we“ where you should have written "I“. I find many AI features useful.

@mike @firefoxwebdevs
>Because I've literally only heard the former
Sounds like a group issue. AI, or as I like to call it data generators, are themselves neutral like any tool, what people should be concerned about them is if the license of the software is copyleft and if the data trained on is not violating basic morals, that last part being extremely hard to know except if your directly source your data to the public, like for example most copyleft creative commons data.

@alahmnat @mike @firefoxwebdevs SEO optimized shit came long before AI and has nothing to do with it. This myth that the web was a healthy place before LLMs came is annoying.

@firefoxwebdevs Thank you!

@Mastokarl No, the web wasn't in great shape before 2022, but LLMs have made the problem a billion times worse.

@Mastokarl @alahmnat @firefoxwebdevs I don't think anyone has illusions that the web was free of bullshit before LLMs.

But LLMs have made it vastly vastly easier to generate bullshit, and as an absolutely inevitable result, LLM-generated bullshit is now drowning out everything else.

This seems pretty uncontroversial to me.

@GuillaumeRossolini @firefoxwebdevs Yeah ... it's a very strange user experience to turn on turning off AI.

I still really think the Standard/Strict/Custom Privacy UI design is a good template.

@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115859962325484652

@mike @firefoxwebdevs i want ai, that only runs locally

@firefoxwebdevs I'll be switching remaining friends and family members over to Librewolf and/or Vivaldi before this update drops

AI in the browser is a disaster waiting to happen and it's sad to see Mozilla think so little of its users opinions

@firefoxwebdevs The damage is done. I am not coming back. You're wasting money and effort on useless shit instead of making Firefox better for my purposes. So I'd rather support a fork that removes all that AI code the hard way. I don't trust your "controls" to do anything at all.

Regarding "[...] I'm not personally in a position to action results of such a poll":

Are you in the position to bring up the results of such a poll in a meeting with your team & boss?

And if so, did you?

@jaffathecake @firefoxwebdevs

@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs they're aware of the sentiment. I'm sure you're aware that Mastodon has a high representation of folks who don't like AI, so presenting evidence that Mastodon users don't like AI is kinda… well… not really useful.

@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs whereas the poll I actually ran, which shows how target users of the feature view translation, was practically useful.

@firefoxwebdevs Calling them "enhancements" sure is a choice.

@viralobscurity both Librewolf and Vivaldi have built-in translation, which people overwhelmingly consider to be AI (https://mastodon.social/@firefoxwebdevs/115849251057488746). Vivaldi even sends the text to a server for translation.

Your choice is your own, but we are up-front about the AI features we have.

@vex I’ve been on the side of the maintainer who misjudged something and has gotten heated responses, and from that experience I think that I got too heated.

It’s really hard not to get defensive when there is a lot of heat already.

And FF devs are regularly taking the heat, even though most just try to do good work.

When you know someone receives a lot of aggression already, you shouldn’t add more.

I realized too late that we were effectively ganging up on them.
@firefoxwebdevs @dveditz

@condret @mike our translation, tab naming, and link preview features all use local models.

The AI sidebar doesn't, but I'm assuming that's obvious as you select a third-party service to use.