@plwt @firefoxwebdevs
It was a survey about inclusion of AI that didn't ask if it was even wanted.

It's disingenuous to suggest it's not related to Firefox.

@ArneBab @firefoxwebdevs @dveditz agreed with everything save for your apology. From the conversation, you were making your point rather clear & the response you got was evasiveness & gaslighting, so of course you'd get heated.

@kittyjynx @firefoxwebdevs
> a browser not infected with Google, Apple, and now Firefox code

Pale Moon? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon

@firefoxwebdevs I mean ... as much as I appreciate the transparency for the sort of people who follow release notes and developer channels, the whole idea of putting this is a user-friendly and straightforward settings page is to help the un-tech-savvy users who don't.

Like, both my wife and my kid use Firefox and they're NEVER gonna read a release note.

@mausmalone also, the way this button is being presented feels like we are enabling a sparkly new thing? Kind of the opposite of what it is doing

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@raymaccarthy @firefoxwebdevs Apologies, I am not trying to be disingenuous. There was a survey recently from the Mozilla Foundation that was looking at their future work. Many people seem to think it was tied to Firefox.

@raymaccarthy @firefoxwebdevs It would need to cater for not only Windows and macOS (possibly multiple versions of both) as well as quite a few different Linux desktops. At the same time, it would need to have light and dark modes for all.

With Fx having the same broad style across most platforms feels much better to support and easier for contributors to work on.

@Ostrobothnia @firefoxwebdevs Thanks for the rec! I just installed it and will be test driving for a bit!

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Thank you for listening to users input

@firefoxwebdevs yay! \o/

@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs Any complains about AI being forced at everyone's rectum should be brought to the wef members.

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What Mozilla did: ️

What the users actually wanted: ️

@wojtek @fabio @firefoxwebdevs then why do a survey?

@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs Don’t write "we“ where you should have written "I“. I find many AI features useful.

@mike @firefoxwebdevs
>Because I've literally only heard the former
Sounds like a group issue. AI, or as I like to call it data generators, are themselves neutral like any tool, what people should be concerned about them is if the license of the software is copyleft and if the data trained on is not violating basic morals, that last part being extremely hard to know except if your directly source your data to the public, like for example most copyleft creative commons data.

@alahmnat @mike @firefoxwebdevs SEO optimized shit came long before AI and has nothing to do with it. This myth that the web was a healthy place before LLMs came is annoying.

@firefoxwebdevs Thank you!

@Mastokarl No, the web wasn't in great shape before 2022, but LLMs have made the problem a billion times worse.

@Mastokarl @alahmnat @firefoxwebdevs I don't think anyone has illusions that the web was free of bullshit before LLMs.

But LLMs have made it vastly vastly easier to generate bullshit, and as an absolutely inevitable result, LLM-generated bullshit is now drowning out everything else.

This seems pretty uncontroversial to me.

@GuillaumeRossolini @firefoxwebdevs Yeah ... it's a very strange user experience to turn on turning off AI.

I still really think the Standard/Strict/Custom Privacy UI design is a good template.