<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">the image linked to by the post is the Pangram LLM-detection report of paragraphs in the first screenshot below, reading "100% AI". in lieu of alt text for the screenshots below, I suggest scrolling through <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/eicker%40lemmy.world" aria-label="Profile: eicker@lemmy.world">@<bdi>eicker@lemmy.world</bdi></a>'s profile and <a href="https://lemmy.world/comment/26323310" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">https://lemmy.world/comment/26323310</a>, which the screenshots are of. Look at the vote counts.</p>
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<div class="row mt-3"><div class="col-12 mt-3"><img class="img-thumbnail" src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/02841416-e9a3-4cf2-9751-1a4de107a136.webp" alt="Link Preview Image" /></div></div>]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/topic/0b5b92e0-7622-4881-ad42-9c88ef2a8353/llm-vigilance-on-the-fediverse-is-lacking</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2026 17:48:37 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://citiverse.it/topic/0b5b92e0-7622-4881-ad42-9c88ef2a8353.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2026 22:28:24 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Tue, 27 Oct 2026 21:46:52 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">Oh, and also dbzer0 is pro-tankie now. Look up the Flotilla if you want more info. I know, shocking right? It used to be one of the more respected instances across the Threadiverse, but now… it’s one step removed from the tankie triad in terms of antagonistic behaviors against everyone else. Now you are caught up on all the drama.</p>
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<p dir="auto">[citation needed]</p>
<p dir="auto">Hexbear hates them for not supporting Stalin and China. Want me to ping their admins for proof or do you wanna keep lying?</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26552702</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26552702</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[pinto@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 21:46:52 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Tue, 27 Oct 2026 21:45:55 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Probably because they generated something you disagree with and felt the need to delete the account.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26552688</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26552688</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[pinto@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 21:45:55 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Tue, 27 Oct 2026 16:01:37 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">New Villain Unlocked: Impersonators</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://thelemmy.club/comment/29867960</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://thelemmy.club/comment/29867960</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[adniem@thelemmy.club]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 16:01:37 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Tue, 27 Oct 2026 11:07:50 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">your</p>
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<p dir="auto">there's a pretty big blue indicator to tell you which comments' authors are OP and which ones are not</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28852422</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28852422</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 11:07:50 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Tue, 27 Oct 2026 11:06:41 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">the field's state-of-the-art-s have gotten a lot better at eliminating false positives over the past year</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28852408</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28852408</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 11:06:41 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Tue, 27 Oct 2026 09:22:27 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">the "LLM detectors" are just modern era coffee-grains-prediction</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26542204</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26542204</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[kspvhmtolwvmd7y7e@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 09:22:27 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Tue, 27 Oct 2026 09:10:34 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Holy GPT batman, yeah that's clearly generated.</p>
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<p dir="auto">The therapist is a database, and the waiting room is a data center.</p>
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<p dir="auto">That's the unsettling part.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Democracy becomes a lot less inconvenient when you can X, Y, and Z.</p>
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<p dir="auto">Researchers needed one query.</p>
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<p dir="auto">X, Y, and Z on the same day. Somewhere, a sysadmin is discovering that Y is actually Z. Meanwhile, [flowery adjective soup storytime].</p>
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<p dir="auto">Next up:</p>
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<p dir="auto">You can tell there's no real thought in those word choices, too. You wouldn't prepare your origin story, you would experience it. The data center would less aptly be described as a therapist's waiting room and more as their office. It also reads like it's trying to write long-form prose entirely put of headlines-- every single word is designed to suck as much attention out of me as possible. It makes me feel disgusted, like seeing an ad.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26542088</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26542088</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[feathercrown@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 09:10:34 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Tue, 27 Oct 2026 08:55:03 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">unusually polite and supportive, it’s not full on glazing but the threadiverse is culturally pretty cold and unwelcoming and he does not fit.</p>
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<p dir="auto">lmfao true</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26541960</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26541960</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[feathercrown@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 08:55:03 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Tue, 27 Oct 2026 08:52:40 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">The writing is pretty clearly AI to me. I can point out some reasons but they'll be easy to nitpick; it's a holistic thing.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26541928</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.world/comment/26541928</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[feathercrown@lemmy.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 08:52:40 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Tue, 27 Oct 2026 08:38:57 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Yep, that account was banned from piefed.social 3 months ago.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://piefed.social/comment/13470630</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://piefed.social/comment/13470630</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[rimu@piefed.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 08:38:57 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Tue, 27 Oct 2026 04:32:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">the commenters seem legit</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28849244</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28849244</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2026 04:32:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 23:33:21 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I don't need to look up anything. It's been shoved in my face for the last 5 years. You are so obviously arguing about nuances that don't matter in reality and it's ignorant and silly! Things like em-dashes, bullet points, and gargling the user's balls are all signs that everyone who's paying attention can quickly and easily recognize at this point.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://piefed.social/comment/13466990</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://piefed.social/comment/13466990</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[artyom@piefed.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 23:33:21 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 22:44:39 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">The next release of PyLova will offer <a href="https://codeberg.org/quokkau/PyLova/issues/30" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">subscribable blocklists</a> - PieFed already offers user-customizable and shareable Topic Area Feeds, so this is a logical next step!</p>
<p dir="auto">Lemmy seems unlikely to add new features except on the timescale of decades though, so anyone wanting this would have to switch to a new instance, or get your admins to switch over.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://discuss.online/comment/25371249</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://discuss.online/comment/25371249</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[openstars@discuss.online]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 22:44:39 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 22:38:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Probably not 90%? This post seems to be receiving an unusually high amount of push-back, less than a day after its posting, which honestly we all probably should have predicted would happen to any such post - at the very least all of eicker's alts are going to be on the warpath against it?</p>
<p dir="auto">Maybe people are downvoting bc it's so much detail but only about a single account, I dunno.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://discuss.online/comment/25371174</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://discuss.online/comment/25371174</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[openstars@discuss.online]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 22:38:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 22:34:18 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">So very many of us around the Threadiverse have been preemptively banned from communities located on dbzer0 that barely exist - e.g. no posts or even subscribers other than the creator at the time - and called slurs (like "troll") in the modlog by pro-AI account holders who iirc are also admins of that instance (or were at the time).</p>
<p dir="auto">So yes, dbzer0 is unquestionably the single most rabidly pro-AI instance we have, and I would even go so far as to say vehemently anti-anti-AI. If half the Threadiverse defederates from dbzer0, that will be the main reason why - especially since there is currently no other defense against modlog spam.</p>
<p dir="auto">Although at this point dbzer0 seems more likely to itself initiate defederation from the rest of the Threadiverse, or at least Lemmy.World where sth like 90% of the most active communities are located, for following the laws of the nations the server machines are located in, and not allowing literal death threats levied against the LW admin team.</p>
<p dir="auto">Oh, and also dbzer0 is pro-tankie now. Look up the Flotilla if you want more info. I know, shocking right? It used to be one of the more respected instances across the Threadiverse, but now... it's one step removed from the tankie triad in terms of antagonistic behaviors against everyone else. Now you are caught up on all the drama.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://discuss.online/comment/25371123</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://discuss.online/comment/25371123</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[openstars@discuss.online]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 22:34:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 22:16:51 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I often think about that exact, particular, specific comic lately... for some reason! <img src="https://citiverse.it/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f914.png?v=908f8e5d495" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--thinking_face" style="height:1.4em;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title="🤔" alt="🤔" /> <img src="https://citiverse.it/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f61e.png?v=908f8e5d495" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--disappointed" style="height:1.4em;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title="😞" alt="😞" /></p>
<p dir="auto">That said, OP said elsewhere:</p>
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<p dir="auto">The third screenshot is me asking if it was written by AI and not receiving a reply. The user pretty much does not reply to people, just obviously-LLM summaries to his own posts. Almost all such comments are the same amount of lines.</p>
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<p dir="auto">So if the account in question mimics a human exclusively in order to spread spam about particular websites that they are paid to promote as "authentically"-looking as possible, then I would argue that the mission is <strong>not</strong> "fucking accomplished". Or rather, at least not <em>our</em> mission of being able to converse with fellow humans, possibly with the assistance of the occasional bot so long as they are properly labeled as such and not trying to manipulate and scam us.</p>
<p dir="auto">A properly labeled bot - e.g. that posts daily comics - is a great tool (even if some people choose to opt-out of such, which is their right). It's the <em><strong>deception</strong></em> that people do not like (mainly).</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://discuss.online/comment/25370899</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://discuss.online/comment/25370899</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[openstars@discuss.online]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 22:16:51 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 21:37:26 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I'm not misrepresenting anything. If you take any model and just <em>change the temperature a little bit</em> (it's a setting that controls the influence of the RNG) you can have wildly different output.</p>
<p dir="auto">Different AI providers using the exact same model will have outputs <em>so different</em> using the same exact prompts you'd think they were in different universes.</p>
<p dir="auto">They absolutely <em>do not</em> "have the same hallmarks."</p>
<p dir="auto">This stuff is benchmarked to absurd degrees every time a new model comes out. <em>Just look it up already!</em> You're so obviously arguing from an ignorant position it's silly.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://programming.dev/comment/26726870</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://programming.dev/comment/26726870</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[riskable@programming.dev]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 21:37:26 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:56:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">eicker links several websites in his bio, such as this one:</p>
<p dir="auto"><img src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/999d10e8-a73c-4d51-b68d-ae57592834a3.webp" alt="" class="img-markdown  img-fluid" /></p>
<p dir="auto">it scares me that 90% of Fediverse users do not recognize his obviously LLM writing.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28843783</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28843783</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:56:53 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:53:12 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">also, can we talk about how Eicker's website literally advertizes LLM adbotting services? see third screenshot in body</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28843662</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28843662</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:53:12 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:48:20 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">and for that matter, looking into it, Pangram seems to have an extremely low false-positive rate these days: <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/2026/05/pangram-ai-detection-accuracy/687381/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/2026/05/pangram-ai-detection-accuracy/687381/</a> . the only complaints seem to be about its false negative rate. the FP rate of 1 in 10,000 is maybe higher than you want but whatever of Eicker's text you throw at it it always comes up positive.</p>
]]></description><link>https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28843620</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://citiverse.it/post/https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/28843620</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:48:20 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to LLM vigilance on the Fediverse is lacking on Mon, 26 Oct 2026 20:42:53 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">the em dash is just one tick. eicker has at least five of those to the point where it's embedded into the logical flow of the argument and the sentence structure</p>
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<p dir="auto">They do not all write the same</p>
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<p dir="auto">They all have the same hallmarks.</p>
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<p dir="auto">There's vastly more than "a handful of models"! Are you living under a rock‽</p>
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<p dir="auto">You're intentionally misrepresenting my statement. It wasn't about the models that exist, it was about the models people are using.</p>
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<p dir="auto">only talks about AI related news, doesn’t have any other hobbies.</p>
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<p dir="auto">False. They talk about Xbox too in your own screenshots.</p>
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<li>They do not all write the same. There's benchmarks for this and if you just do a basic search or <em>actually test them yourself</em> you'll see that their output differs wildly. Not only between vendors, but been <em>versions of the same model.</em> For example, Claude stopped using em dashes for most output for a while but now they've come back.</li>
<li>There's vastly more than "a handful of models"! Are you living under a rock‽ Go to HuggingFace today and then again tomorrow. There's going to be a dozen new ones! Probably more!</li>
<li>Changing the back end configuration even a <em>tiny</em> bit can <em>vastly</em> change the output of a model.</li>
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