<![CDATA[Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators]]>Unfortunately I was only able to join for the third and last day of FediForum, but the energy was quite strong even then!

There were some interesting discussions with @ozoned@btfree.social @reiver@mastodon.social and others (@johannab@cosocial.ca, @j12t@j12t.social, etc) about fediverse payments and growing the open social web — this spanned two session slots, actually!

One thing that came out strongly was the need for content creators to get paid. This directly echoes @paige@masto.canadiancivil.com's talk from @fedimtl earlier this year. The other half was reflecting on the lack of appropriate value-adds for donators, such as private groups.

We have all of these things, but separately. Perhaps combining them into an easy-to-use service is the secret sauce that will open up the fediverse to content creators.

There is work with the Interledger Foundation (@jeremiah@alpaca.gold) to make the financial side happen. There's ongoing work with CrowdBucks (@reiver@mastodon.social) to connect fediverse accounts with payment gateways. On the threadiverse side, each of us (NodeBB, Lemmy, Piefed) have support for private groups, but not federated private groups.

This might be an opportunity for the threadiverse implementors to work together (especially with @mayel@bonfire.cafe and the rest of the SWICG Groups Task Force (@groups)) to bring federate private groups out of the realm of theoretical possibility and into reality.

]]>https://citiverse.it/topic/08eb4926-a4f1-4f3b-b872-b324106524a1/combining-groups-and-payments-into-a-fedi-forward-service-for-content-creatorsRSS for NodeFri, 08 May 2026 20:38:23 GMTThu, 30 Apr 2026 19:45:34 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Sun, 03 May 2026 00:21:34 GMT]]>@j12t @elgg I’m not part of the Elgg project these days (although I own the .com and the trademark) - but I *have* done a bad job of sending folks its way. I can be a better ambassador.

@silverpill @julian @fedimtl @ozoned @reiver @johannab @paige @mayel

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://werd.social/users/ben/statuses/116507783652367738https://citiverse.it/post/https://werd.social/users/ben/statuses/116507783652367738Sun, 03 May 2026 00:21:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Sat, 02 May 2026 23:40:47 GMT]]>@elgg Well, we did have @ben give a keynote at last year! 🙂

Consider coming to a future FediForum and giving a demo to get more exposure in this community.

@silverpill @julian @fedimtl @ozoned @reiver @johannab @paige @mayel

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://j12t.social/users/j12t/statuses/116507623243603278https://citiverse.it/post/https://j12t.social/users/j12t/statuses/116507623243603278Sat, 02 May 2026 23:40:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Sat, 02 May 2026 23:39:32 GMT]]>@j12t @silverpill @julian @fedimtl @ozoned @reiver @johannab @paige @mayel

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://indieweb.social/users/elgg/statuses/116507618340419160https://citiverse.it/post/https://indieweb.social/users/elgg/statuses/116507618340419160Sat, 02 May 2026 23:39:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Sat, 02 May 2026 23:35:12 GMT]]>@j12t Honestly, I don’t really understand why many developers keep overlooking Elgg. We’ve built a full-featured federated ecosystem on top of it, from stores to communities, and it’s working well in production.

I’m planning to publish our release soon, and it’s going to be big. For now, you can already explore and use the current codebase.
https://github.com/Elgg/Elgg

@silverpill @julian @fedimtl @ozoned @reiver @johannab @paige @mayel

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://indieweb.social/users/elgg/statuses/116507601324984087https://citiverse.it/post/https://indieweb.social/users/elgg/statuses/116507601324984087Sat, 02 May 2026 23:35:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Sat, 02 May 2026 22:35:56 GMT]]>@elgg

Elgg doesn't show up here: https://fedidb.com/software?st=active&q=elgg

Any idea why?

@silverpill @julian @fedimtl @ozoned @reiver @johannab @paige @mayel

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://j12t.social/users/j12t/statuses/116507368227351013https://citiverse.it/post/https://j12t.social/users/j12t/statuses/116507368227351013Sat, 02 May 2026 22:35:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Sat, 02 May 2026 21:32:55 GMT]]>@silverpill As for private groups, right now you’ll see more notifications than actual posts. I think our team will provide a full implementation in the near future. But to reiterate, at the moment this already works on the federation level.

You’re underestimating the power of Elgg 🙂

@fedimtl @general

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://indieweb.social/users/elgg/statuses/116507120471334168https://citiverse.it/post/https://indieweb.social/users/elgg/statuses/116507120471334168Sat, 02 May 2026 21:32:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Sat, 02 May 2026 21:32:11 GMT]]>@silverpill Of course. Elgg supports all types of groups, including private ones (this depends on the settings of the corresponding plugin).

Here’s an example of how it looks — this is a public group with ActivityPub enabled: https://demo.wzm.me/activitypub/groups/165/

@fedimtl @general

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://indieweb.social/users/elgg/statuses/116507117569381944https://citiverse.it/post/https://indieweb.social/users/elgg/statuses/116507117569381944Sat, 02 May 2026 21:32:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Sat, 02 May 2026 15:13:57 GMT]]>@elgg Does it support private groups? How they are implemented?

@general

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://mitra.social/objects/019de940-e671-7c22-af94-807cedacb87fhttps://citiverse.it/post/https://mitra.social/objects/019de940-e671-7c22-af94-807cedacb87fSat, 02 May 2026 15:13:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Sat, 02 May 2026 09:29:07 GMT]]>@silverpill Also https://github.com/RiverVanRain/activitypub @julian @fedimtl @ozoned @reiver @johannab @j12t @paige @mayel

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://indieweb.social/users/elgg/statuses/116504274338493536https://citiverse.it/post/https://indieweb.social/users/elgg/statuses/116504274338493536Sat, 02 May 2026 09:29:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Fri, 01 May 2026 19:01:12 GMT]]>@silverpill@mitra.social I'm not certain. I think if they do support them they're likely internal only, like NodeBB and Piefed.

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://activitypub.space/post/1835https://citiverse.it/post/https://activitypub.space/post/1835Fri, 01 May 2026 19:01:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Fri, 01 May 2026 18:54:28 GMT]]>Yes, but there is a difference between "the thing is implemented by less popular software" and "the thing doesn't exist". There are more Hubzilla instances than NodeBB instances, by the way.

Also, isn't the development branch of Lemmy already support FEP-1b12 private groups?

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://mitra.social/objects/019de4e4-6acf-7622-b010-9e7cc44d8a7dhttps://citiverse.it/post/https://mitra.social/objects/019de4e4-6acf-7622-b010-9e7cc44d8a7dFri, 01 May 2026 18:54:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Fri, 01 May 2026 15:37:07 GMT]]>@j12t @evan @silverpill @julian @fedimtl @ozoned @reiver @paige @mayel

Mitra got mentioned once or twice IIRC, even, I’m sure it’s amongst the collective heap of “things I need to learn more about but there are only 3 days…” notes.

Also it caught my attention a little while back because the first srs health tech company I worked for was Mitra Imaging.

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/johannab/statuses/116500059131240076https://citiverse.it/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/johannab/statuses/116500059131240076Fri, 01 May 2026 15:37:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Fri, 01 May 2026 15:32:02 GMT]]>@evan @silverpill @julian @fedimtl @ozoned @reiver @johannab @paige @mayel FediForum organizer here. Certainly you are very welcome at FediForum, and I could imagine it could lead to some great sessions!

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://j12t.social/users/j12t/statuses/116500039124787059https://citiverse.it/post/https://j12t.social/users/j12t/statuses/116500039124787059Fri, 01 May 2026 15:32:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Fri, 01 May 2026 14:59:14 GMT]]>As for federated private groups, while I know they exist in Hubzilla and Streams, they're not broadly compatible with 1b12, which you must agree has far outclassed both 400e and 171b in usage.

While that alone is not a reason to pick one FEP over another, it makes it worth considering for that point alone.

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://activitypub.space/post/1826https://citiverse.it/post/https://activitypub.space/post/1826Fri, 01 May 2026 14:59:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Fri, 01 May 2026 14:56:40 GMT]]>@silverpill@mitra.social I have no stake in Interledger, my interests go as far as "I don't want to have to muck about with rolling my own payment processing", and that's it.

@jeremiah@alpaca.gold and @reiver@mastodon.social were present to discuss their experience in the finance side of things, and their input was appreciated. I made sure to stress the importance that as much of this needs to be out of my hands as possible (this also tracks with a lot of my opinions about AP adoption, too)

cc @evan@cosocial.ca

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://activitypub.space/post/1825https://citiverse.it/post/https://activitypub.space/post/1825Fri, 01 May 2026 14:56:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Fri, 01 May 2026 09:26:16 GMT]]>@silverpill @julian @fedimtl @ozoned @reiver @johannab @j12t @paige @mayel also, let me extend a personal invitation to come to the next Fediforum. It would be great to have you there.

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/evan/statuses/116498600867024210https://citiverse.it/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/evan/statuses/116498600867024210Fri, 01 May 2026 09:26:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Combining groups and payments into a fedi-forward service for content creators on Fri, 01 May 2026 09:20:27 GMT]]>@silverpill @julian @fedimtl @ozoned @reiver @johannab @j12t @paige @mayel In this case, yes! I was only briefly in this session, and I didn't talk about Web Monetization.

SWF received money from ILF to work on four research projects: Fediverse sustainability, creator economy, cooperatives, and Web Monetization in multimedia Fediverse apps. We're not a buzz marketing agency.

I post about our work in our blog, but I'm also happy to answer your direct questions any time.

]]>https://citiverse.it/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/evan/statuses/116498577965867811https://citiverse.it/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/evan/statuses/116498577965867811Fri, 01 May 2026 09:20:27 GMT