@_elena @Gargron @lumiworx count me in.

@ozoned Tim Apple

@_elena @Gargron @lumiworx

I am also, but maybe in a different way.

As someone who helped create ActivityPub and works every day to promote its use, I absolutely believe that everyone should make and use ActivityPub-native software. At SWF, we only do ActivityPub projects.

But if someone chooses to build on ATProto, and to make their software and accounts bridgeable so we can stay connected, that's infinitely better than being cut off entirely.

@_elena @lumiworx @Gargron at the individual and business level, there absolutely are strong upsides to rapid growth.

But as a user of technology, I find that systems with distributed power structures are a much better place to invest my time, energy and money.

@_elena @Gargron @lumiworx

I mentioned elsewhere that I think supporting the openness of the Atmosphere is important for whatever comes next there. Whether BlueSky thrive or don't survive, the more the ATproto stack is standardized and independent, the better it is for the Fediverse.

@_elena @Gargron @lumiworx

I think it would be really great to work with companies like Graze to get their software to support ActivityPub also. That could be through the bridge or through the ActivityPub API or the Mastodon API. For them, it's hedging their bets, and for us, it's more developers in our ecosystem providing more functionality.

@_elena @Gargron @lumiworx I also think that A New Social has been doing great work to make new applications on the ATproto stack, like long form text with https://standard.site/ , available as Articles on the Fediverse. Whether through bridging or dual stack clients, all data and accounts connected to ActivityPub is a plus.

@evan absolutely

@Gargron @_elena @lumiworx

Company with +$100m in VC says one thing but does another. They're just doing the Apple "Sherlock" / Amazon "undercut and put the competition out of business" playbook.

Who's going to stop them?

I always hear about how BlueSky isn't the ATMosphere yet, time and again I see this bad behavior. They will dictate the path forward with their deep pockets.

They are incentivized to clone the good community ideas to increase their own value to pay back those VCs.

@Gargron Ideally, there should be just one protocol for all social networks, much like SMTP for email. To me, ActivityPub clearly seems like the best protocol for social networks (even though I realize it still has a long way to go).

@_elena @lumiworx

@occult @Gargron @_elena

Exactly. I'm certainly not against new protocols, and would much prefer them to be open and standardized.

My issue(s) are absolutely with puppetmastering devs, and using bait-and-switch logic to 'grow' a project that was designed at the outset to run counter to the 'solution' it was meant to solve. Lull a few hundred hopefuls into coding this sticky social concept into something glorious, only to walk away with the fruits of someone elses work, without remorse.

@lumiworx @Gargron @_elena this is literally how it works in Silicon Valley. Amazon, Apple, Google have all done this via feature cloning, acquisition to kill a project. You name it, they've done it.

VC funded BlueSky would not be doing their jobs to increase shareholder value if they did not do all of the above and more. They have to, someone at the VCs funding this will instruct them to do so if it meant getting an ROI sooner.

Anyone who thinks they won't is being naive. I've seen it myself.

@occult I know and it makes me sad to see so many of my friends being blueSKY-pilled

@_elena but that is just it, why? What is their goal? I see folks talking about how hard it is to get "exposure" on Mastodon, but I ask, do we really care about that? I do not.

Everyone is using these networks for different reasons. I (thankfully) do not have to care about an audience.

Everyone saw how Instagram ended up with clout-chasing influencers, and BlueSky may be heading in that same direction of placating the audience above all else.

@_elena I do not want to be surrounded by 1000 versions of the same clout chasing hot take political influencers. Instagram became the defacto place to go for "exposure and audience" because of the same VC funded, feature cloning BlueSky is about to pursue.

Instagram is intolerable but necessary for many of these folks who put all their eggs in that basket, and that is very sad.

I will not earn another "fell for it again" award this time around.

I am content here on Mastodon with my friends.

@Gargron @_elena @lumiworx Same. Just don't have the same confidence anywhere else.

@_elena @evan @hamishcampbell

Let’s see if we can meet in the middle when are both building open tunnels into the big tech mountain. But I am also clear, that I prefer to accept the downsides of ActivityPub and I start digging from that side. But I also see what makes Bluesky and ATProto strong and we all need to learn quickly.

@_elena

the question is who puts them into the same category apart from their marketing bots?

@_elena @hamishcampbell

no the instincts are spot on

@_elena @evan @Sascha

It’s not about features. It’s about culture.

#ActivityPub comes out of the #openweb tradition.

#Bluesky comes out of a split lineage - #openweb roots, shaped by #dotcons incentives, with an #encryptionist upbringing.